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Author Topic: Is "basket of deplorables" Hillary's 47% moment?  (Read 23849 times)
Ljube
Junior Chimp
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« on: September 10, 2016, 10:17:38 PM »

Basket of deplorables is similar to Orman's clown car reference. That's the talk of the Dem base.

What it will do to Hillary is cost her Pub and some Ind votes.

It won't cost her any Dem votes.

47% actually cost Romney some working class votes and showed him for an out of touch elitist that he was/is.
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Ljube
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2016, 11:54:34 PM »

What it will do to Hillary is cost her Pub and some Ind votes.

Any Republicans voting for Hillary this year surely already thought of the people who nominated Donald Trump as deplorable.

It plays against her unifier message. She divides the people into the deplorables and the others and who knows, maybe the others are further subdivided into categories.

Pubs voting for her will pause after this and take a second look of her and the Donald and a large number of them, particularly the more educated ones will choose the Donald over her as the lesser evil.

It’s the same thing which cost Orman his election. He spoke his heart and was exposed for the partisan Democrat hack that he was.
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Ljube
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2016, 11:58:51 PM »

What it will do to Hillary is cost her Pub and some Ind votes.

Any Republicans voting for Hillary this year surely already thought of the people who nominated Donald Trump as deplorable.

It plays against her unifier message. She divides the people into the deplorables and the others and who knows, maybe the others are further subdivided into categories.

Pubs voting for her will pause after this and take a second look of her and the Donald and a large number of them, particularly the more educated ones will choose the Donald over her as the lesser evil.

It’s the same thing which cost Orman his election. He spoke his heart and was exposed for the partisan Democrat hack that he was.


Did Orman have a gaffe like this?

Clown car.
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Ljube
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2016, 12:12:17 AM »

Racism, homophobia, sexism, xenophobia, and religious bigotry are all deplorable. The issue is not whether Hillary Clinton condemns them; it is instead whether people want to be involved with such. Hillary Clinton was not going to get many votes from racists, sexists, homophobes, xenophobes, and religious bigots.

Did she give her message as gracefully as possible? No. But can Donald Trump exploit it? If he tries, then he reminds us that a core of his supporters defend deplorable ideas.

LOL! Talking like a true Dem partisan hack isolated in his echo chamber and out of touch with reality.
You'll wake up soon enough, say in a week at the latest when this unforced error starts showing up in the polls.

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Ljube
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2016, 10:28:43 PM »

I honestly might vote for Trump because of this. I expect this kind of thing from atlas hack posters but calling 25 % of the country awful irredeemable people because they support your opponents political campaign is disgusting. How can she unite he country when she finds such a large percentage of it so awful? I'm sick of leftist identity politics telling me that my dad is the main thing holding America back today.

It's hard to believe that someone offended by that comment was not already voting for Trump. The truth is often painful.

I was turned off by Trump's comments on Judge Curiel among other things. I'm not a fan of this idea that the majority of the people in my town and family  are awful people just because they aren't voting for Hillary Clinton. Always good to hear such judgment from the tolerant and open minded left.

The point wasn't about people not voting for Hillary Clinton, it was about them voting for someone who is extremely bigoted. Plus, there is the fact that Trump has more openly racist supporters than any previous Republican nominee. McCain and Romney didn't have people holding up confederate flags, shout racial slurs and death threats. There is also the small matter of David Duke endorsing him.

DrScholl, there is no evidence that Trump is bigoted.

He has bigoted supporters. So what? Are we sure Hillary has no bigoted supporters?

Trump's platform is much more inclusive. He doesn't divide people into baskets.
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Ljube
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2016, 10:36:20 PM »


So where do I fit in here?  Am I deplorable?

If you vote for Trump, yes.

So, according to you, 100% of Trump supporters are deplorables?
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Ljube
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2016, 10:50:21 PM »

I honestly might vote for Trump because of this. I expect this kind of thing from atlas hack posters but calling 25 % of the country awful irredeemable people because they support your opponents political campaign is disgusting. How can she unite he country when she finds such a large percentage of it so awful? I'm sick of leftist identity politics telling me that my dad is the main thing holding America back today.

It's hard to believe that someone offended by that comment was not already voting for Trump. The truth is often painful.

I was turned off by Trump's comments on Judge Curiel among other things. I'm not a fan of this idea that the majority of the people in my town and family  are awful people just because they aren't voting for Hillary Clinton. Always good to hear such judgment from the tolerant and open minded left.

The point wasn't about people not voting for Hillary Clinton, it was about them voting for someone who is extremely bigoted. Plus, there is the fact that Trump has more openly racist supporters than any previous Republican nominee. McCain and Romney didn't have people holding up confederate flags, shout racial slurs and death threats. There is also the small matter of David Duke endorsing him.

DrScholl, there is no evidence that Trump is bigoted.

He has bigoted supporters. So what? Are we sure Hillary has no bigoted supporters?

Trump's platform is much more inclusive. He doesn't divide people into baskets.


Calling Mexicans rapists and killers is bigoted. Calling blacks lazy and refusing to rent apartments to them bigoted. Even mocking a disabled person is a form of bigotry. I don't need to go on further, because his entire life is built on division and hate.

Again, DrScholl, as always, you are distorting his statements.

He said that there are rapists and killers among the illegal immigrants who if the immigration laws had been strictly upheld wouldn't have been there to commit their crimes. That's not bigoted. That's a fact.

He didn't call the blacks lazy. He said it's terrible that there are no jobs available for a large number of blacks living in the inner cities and that he is going to remedy that. No bigotry, just stating facts.

He wasn't mocking a disabled person. He was mocking his character. That disabled reporter happens to be the worst hack imaginable. Now, does being disabled shield you from any kind of critique? Is that the society where disabled people are treated as equals? Would we be talking about this if that hack were not disabled and Trump performed the same mockery of him? Talking about double standards and PC distortion of reality and common sense.
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Ljube
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 6,067
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« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2016, 10:51:42 PM »


So where do I fit in here?  Am I deplorable?

If you vote for Trump, yes.

So, according to you, 100% of Trump supporters are deplorables?


According to me: yes, of course. I have been saying it for a while. Every single Trump supporter is strictly worse than Trump himself.

Ok, I will make an exception for those over 85 years of age and those suffering from mental retardation.

I think Clinton should appoint you as her campaign manager.
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Ljube
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 6,067
Political Matrix
E: 2.71, S: -6.09

« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2016, 11:00:37 PM »

I honestly might vote for Trump because of this. I expect this kind of thing from atlas hack posters but calling 25 % of the country awful irredeemable people because they support your opponents political campaign is disgusting. How can she unite he country when she finds such a large percentage of it so awful? I'm sick of leftist identity politics telling me that my dad is the main thing holding America back today.

It's hard to believe that someone offended by that comment was not already voting for Trump. The truth is often painful.

I was turned off by Trump's comments on Judge Curiel among other things. I'm not a fan of this idea that the majority of the people in my town and family  are awful people just because they aren't voting for Hillary Clinton. Always good to hear such judgment from the tolerant and open minded left.

The point wasn't about people not voting for Hillary Clinton, it was about them voting for someone who is extremely bigoted. Plus, there is the fact that Trump has more openly racist supporters than any previous Republican nominee. McCain and Romney didn't have people holding up confederate flags, shout racial slurs and death threats. There is also the small matter of David Duke endorsing him.

DrScholl, there is no evidence that Trump is bigoted.

He has bigoted supporters. So what? Are we sure Hillary has no bigoted supporters?

Trump's platform is much more inclusive. He doesn't divide people into baskets.


Calling Mexicans rapists and killers is bigoted. Calling blacks lazy and refusing to rent apartments to them bigoted. Even mocking a disabled person is a form of bigotry. I don't need to go on further, because his entire life is built on division and hate.

Again, DrScholl, as always, you are distorting his statements.

He said that there are rapists and killers among the illegal immigrants who if the immigration laws had been strictly upheld wouldn't have been there to commit their crimes. That's not bigoted. That's a fact.

He didn't call the blacks lazy. He said it's terrible that there are no jobs available for a large number of blacks living in the inner cities and that he is going to remedy that. No bigotry, just stating facts.

He wasn't mocking a disabled person. He was mocking his character. That disabled reporter happens to be the worst hack imaginable. Now, does being disabled shield you from any kind of critique? Is that the society where disabled people are treated as equals? Would we be talking about this if that hack were not disabled and Trump performed the same mockery of him? Talking about double standards and PC distortion of reality and common sense.


His statements about Mexicans and his mocking a disabled reporter are well documented. Mocking a person's disability is not a critique, it is bullying.

And yes, he did call blacks lazy http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/07/20/trump_complained_about_blacks_inherent_laziness_1991_book_says.html

Written by former Trump Plaza casino COO John O'Donnell.

DrScholl, you and I know better than to trust disgruntled former employees. We know Trump likes to fire incompetent people. John O'Donnell may have been one of them.
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