Osama bin Laden dead (Official)

[Middle-aged Europe]

Major media fail, especially in Germany ...

Steffen Seibert, press speaker of German Chancellor Merkel:



"Obama, responsible for the death of thousands of innocents, has derided fundamental values of Islam and all Religions."

www.spiegel.de:



"US Military buries Obama at sea."

I guess they were all just a bit too excited, huh?

[Meeker]

lol wut

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/02/the-rock-osama-bin-laden-death_n_856381.html

Makes sense - The Rock was probably part of the team that carried out the mission.

[Joe Republic]

Obama, Hillary, Biden and Gates in the Situation Room.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/whitehouse/5680724572/

Why was John Lithgow there?  (Blue shirt, standing behind the seated General Webb.)

[Meeker]

Obama, Hillary, Biden and Gates in the Situation Room.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/whitehouse/5680724572/

Why was John Lithgow there?  (Blue shirt, standing behind the seated General Webb.)

He became Obama's National Security Advisor when Rahm left. Bit of a shake-up.

[Badger]

While military experts wanted to bomb the Pakistani mansion where bin Laden was hiding, Limbaugh said, Obama may have “single-handedly [come] up with the technique” of attacking the target at the ground level. He credited the president with much more military prowess than Obama critics usually attribute to the president.

“President Obama, perhaps the only qualified member in the room to deal with this, insisted on the Special Forces,” he said. “No one else thought of that…. Not a single intelligence adviser, not a single national security adviser, not a single military adviser came up with the idea of using SEAL Team 6 or any Special Forces.”

Wow. Words to follow I have never said before, or likely ever will again:

"Ditto Rush".

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0511/54122.html#ixzz1LDut7tN7

The articles are all misquoting him.  He was using sarcasm if you actually listened to it.  He gave the President credit for continuing the Bush policy, and said that the President was taking all of the credit over the military, because he's "the only qualified member.."

I might have known. I only took it from the article, of course. But I'm not at all shocked that even during this moment of transcendent patriotism that Limbaugh would be a major league douche.

[Joe Biden 2020]

If I may take a moment and clarify my position and the position of most Christians I know on the death of Osama Bin Laden.  We celebrate the removal of evil.  We don't celebrate the death of a non-believer.

[Franzl]

If I may take a moment and clarify my position and the position of most Christians I know on the death of Osama Bin Laden.  We celebrate the removal of evil.  We don't celebrate the death of a non-believer.

I'm overjoyed by Bin Laden's death, but where do Christians draw the line between "acceptable" and "unacceptable" killings? The Catholic Church, for example, has said his death should not be celebrated, although I'm unaware of any official stance on the killing itself.

So serious question: how is allowed to be killed from a Christian viewpoint? A mass murderer? Any murderer on the street?

As said, I support what was done 100% here, but certainly not for any religious reasons.

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

If I may take a moment and clarify my position and the position of most Christians I know on the death of Osama Bin Laden.  We celebrate the removal of evil.  We don't celebrate the death of a non-believer.

No one is buying the CYA here, Bushie.

[J. J.]

If I may take a moment and clarify my position and the position of most Christians I know on the death of Osama Bin Laden.  We celebrate the removal of evil.  We don't celebrate the death of a non-believer.

I'm overjoyed by Bin Laden's death, but where do Christians draw the line between "acceptable" and "unacceptable" killings? The Catholic Church, for example, has said his death should not be celebrated, although I'm unaware of any official stance on the killing itself.

So serious question: how is allowed to be killed from a Christian viewpoint? A mass murderer? Any murderer on the street?

As said, I support what was done 100% here, but certainly not for any religious reasons.

I would use the rabid dog analogy.

Normally, I would not shoot a dog.  If there was a rabid dog with the potential for infecting (and killing) people in my neighborhood, I would shoot it.

[King]

Obama, Hillary, Biden and Gates in the Situation Room.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/whitehouse/5680724572/

Why was John Lithgow there?  (Blue shirt, standing behind the seated General Webb.)

He became Obama's National Security Advisor when Rahm left. Bit of a shake-up.

They apparently sent Keanu Reeves and Dwayne Johnson over to the kill, so it makes sense.

[Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home.]

If I may take a moment and clarify my position and the position of most Christians I know on the death of Osama Bin Laden.  We celebrate the removal of evil.  We don't celebrate the death of a non-believer.

well, dude, make up your mind:  Are you going to celebrate the removal of Osama, or are you not going to celebrate the removal of Osama?   As for me, I celebrate OBL's death, regardless if he were a believer or not.  I celebrate the death of any and all tyrants, "Christian" or otherwise, who refuse to change their ways and instead are determined to destroy.

While he was alive I prayed for him to turn from his ways.  But now the man is dead.  It's too late for regrets and prayers.  Celebrate, giving God thanks, and turn the page, for his fate is sealed.

Luke 9:60 "“Let the dead bury their own dead, but you go and proclaim the kingdom of God.”

[King]

The difference between jmfcst and him would make an interesting subplot in the BushOK movie.

[Cincinnatus]

If I may take a moment and clarify my position and the position of most Christians I know on the death of Osama Bin Laden.  We celebrate the removal of evil.  We don't celebrate the death of a non-believer.

well, dude, make up your mind:  Are you going to celebrate the removal of Osama, or are you not going to celebrate the removal of Osama?   As for me, I celebrate OBL's death, regardless if he were a believer or not.  I celebrate the death of any and all tyrants, "Christian" or otherwise, who refuse to change their ways and instead are determined to destroy.

While he was alive I prayed for him to turn from his ways.  But now the man is dead.  It's too late for regrets and prayers.  Celebrate, giving God thanks, and turn the page, for his fate is sealed.

Luke 9:60 "“Let the dead bury their own dead, but you go and proclaim the kingdom of God.”

Rom 12:17 - 12:21

17 Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everyone. 18 If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. 19 Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for God’s wrath, for it is written: “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,” says the Lord. 20 On the contrary:
“If your enemy is hungry, feed him;
if he is thirsty, give him something to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head.”
21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

[Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home.]

The difference between jmfcst and him would make an interesting subplot in the BushOK movie.

the difference between BushOK and me is BushOK takes on a reverent tone in his posts, while I use the same tone regardless if I am talking about God or about baseball.  I don't have separate tones, and I certainly dont have a reverent one.

[Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home.]

Rom 12:17 - 12:21

17 Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everyone. 18 If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. 19 Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for God’s wrath, for it is written: “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,” says the Lord. 20 On the contrary:
“If your enemy is hungry, feed him;
if he is thirsty, give him something to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head.”
21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

so, you're using a bible passage to condemn self defense?  something tells me you're going to have a hard time making that interpretation mesh with either the OT or the NT

[Cincinnatus]

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Something tells me that as much as you want to use biblical passage to support your argument, that realistically none of us knows what position God would take.  Personally, I think God would be sad that Osama did not embrace him but, like I said, I don't pretend to know God's every stance.

[memphis]

Screw the Bible and the Catholic Church. He's dead. I'm glad. Mad props to President Obama and the special forces who carried out his order flawlessly.

[Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home.]

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Something tells me that as much as you want to use biblical passage to support your argument, that realistically none of us knows what position God would take.  Personally, I think God would be sad that Osama did not embrace him but, like I said, I don't pretend to know God's every stance.

Good thing I wasn’t driving when I read your post, because I’m all, “OMG, he doesn’t even get it!”  In other words, what’s the purpose of scripture if not to relay the will of God?

I’m not celebrating the fact Osama is going to hell, God is not either (1Tim 2:4 “ God wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth”), but I am celebrating the fact his death removes his tyrannical presence from the earth.

That’s why we have cops, and soldiers, and any other form of self defense: to protect ourselves, even through the use of deadly force, from evil men.

So, feel free to debate interpretation, but don’t fool yourself into forgetting the purpose of scripture.

2Tim 3:15  “The holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.”

[Insula Dei]

Rom 12:17 - 12:21

17 Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everyone. 18 If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. 19 Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for God’s wrath, for it is written: “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,” says the Lord. 20 On the contrary:
“If your enemy is hungry, feed him;
if he is thirsty, give him something to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head.”
21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

so, you're using a bible passage to condemn self defense?  something tells me you're going to have a hard time making that interpretation mesh with either the OT or the NT

But Jmcfst, maybe God sent Osama as a scourge to punish the gay-loving United States. How can you know he didn't? Remember that many of the prophets weren't exactly popular with the sinners they had come to rescue.

[Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home.]

so, you're using a bible passage to condemn self defense?  something tells me you're going to have a hard time making that interpretation mesh with either the OT or the NT

But Jmcfst, maybe God sent Osama as a scourge to punish the gay-loving United States. How can you know he didn't? Remember that many of the prophets weren't exactly popular with the sinners they had come to rescue.

was the WTC the center of homosexuality in the US?  Or the Pentagon?

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Well, if the country is ruled by a dictator, the country itself isn't going to ask for help.  That's where the gray zone is... when do we have a duty to help?  And what do we do to help?  Not everybody wants American Democracy, and we shouldn't force that on people who don't want it.

if they dont want it then they wont have a problem with how they are being ruled.

Don't want what?  American Democracy?  There's plenty of other styles of government besides how we do it here.

Dictatorships even work for some countries, but the problem with that is that you won't ALWAYS have a "good" dictator.

What i am more are less unsecessfully getting at is that despite how they are being ruled they can always ask us to help for a different kind of gov besides ours. Ours isnt even that great. If they wanted a communist government and asked our help for it then we should help them. And who they elect is up to them. We shouldn't kick out their choice and put in our to suit us like we have done so many times.

I understand what you're saying.  But you have to remember that many Iraqis hailed us as liberators in the beginning of the war, and we got rid of a man who was killing thousands.

[Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home.]

But Jmcfst, maybe God sent Osama as a scourge to punish the gay-loving United States. How can you know he didn't? Remember that many of the prophets weren't exactly popular with the sinners they had come to rescue.

speaking of Osama...*IF* that bastard some how comes back to life, he's the AntiChrist:

Revelation 13:3
One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. The whole world was astonished and followed the beast.

Revelation 13:12
He exercised all the authority of the first beast on his behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed.


That's why it's important that I post that pic 

[Badger]

Well, if the country is ruled by a dictator, the country itself isn't going to ask for help.  That's where the gray zone is... when do we have a duty to help?  And what do we do to help?  Not everybody wants American Democracy, and we shouldn't force that on people who don't want it.

if they dont want it then they wont have a problem with how they are being ruled.

Don't want what?  American Democracy?  There's plenty of other styles of government besides how we do it here.

Dictatorships even work for some countries, but the problem with that is that you won't ALWAYS have a "good" dictator.

What i am more are less unsecessfully getting at is that despite how they are being ruled they can always ask us to help for a different kind of gov besides ours. Ours isnt even that great. If they wanted a communist government and asked our help for it then we should help them. And who they elect is up to them. We shouldn't kick out their choice and put in our to suit us like we have done so many times.

I understand what you're saying.  But you have to remember that many Iraqis hailed us as liberators in the beginning of the war, and we got rid of a man who was killing thousands.

No, very few did outside Kurdistan. Most Iraqis outside his tribe and government supporters liked Saddam, and many feared/loathed him. But don't let that confuse the difference between dislike or even hatred of Saddam and supporting a foreign non-Muslim army invading and occupying one's homeland. The two are not synonymous.

[Badger]

If I may take a moment and clarify my position and the position of most Christians I know on the death of Osama Bin Laden.  We celebrate the removal of evil.  We don't celebrate the death of a non-believer.

I'm overjoyed by Bin Laden's death, but where do Christians draw the line between "acceptable" and "unacceptable" killings? The Catholic Church, for example, has said his death should not be celebrated, although I'm unaware of any official stance on the killing itself.

So serious question: how is allowed to be killed from a Christian viewpoint? A mass murderer? Any murderer on the street?

As said, I support what was done 100% here, but certainly not for any religious reasons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_War

Not to say there aren't reasonable critiques of Aquanis's doctrine, and it may not completely fit, but FWIW it is still well accepted by the Catholic Church IIRC.

[Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home.]

really now, the arguing over whether it was morally right to kill him is not only [asinine and] boring, it is also beyond the scope of this thread.

also troubling was the comment that if a country wants communism, the US should help that country move towards communism.  why should we help a country move towards a system that doesn't believe in the basic freedoms of unalienable rights we see as so self-evident?  (that was a rhetorical question, not really interested to hear it being argued)