Illhan Omar Megathread

[Ilhan Apologist]

What Ms. Omar misses is that the most diverse countries are the most stratified. America has always been at its most egalitarian when it was its most homogeneous.

What does this even mean?

[OSR stands with Israel]

Can we stop commenting on this thread and instead have more of discussion about her comments about Venezuala because those are the actual outrageous comments

[I Will Not Be Wrong]

I agree Old School, but I think they just handled the nation very poorly, and in better hands, the country could have prospered, even with all the welfare.

[JA]

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/ilhan-omar-says-america-to-blame-for-crisis-in-venezuela


Once again proving that she holds this nation in contempt like many socialists like their idol Jeremy Corbyn does .

Once again proving that you don't even possess a flimsy grasp on the effects of American foreign policy or the history of American imperialism in Latin America (let alone elsewhere in the world).

Chavez and Maduro destroyed Venezuela

Only a child or a fool could believe something so simplistic. Have you honestly no grasp of geopolitics, history, sociology, anthropology, or anything of the sort? That sort of narrow thought process is equivalent to believing Venezuela exists within a vacuum; that there is no history prior to Chavez that shaped the country up to and past the point of Chavez's election; and that Chavez and Maduro wielded power and enacted policies without any external factors (be they from rival political groups, powerful opponents within the economic system, and foreign influences that sought to affect Venezuela for particular geopolitical goals). That is not to suggest their policies had no impact on Venezuela; they obviously did. But, their policies were only one part of the story and were shaped largely by their reaction to particular circumstances not of their own creation.

Venezuala pre Chavez was far far more prosperous than it is today and was actually a Democracy. Yes their were some problems but maybe you guys should stop blaming America for all of socialism's failures

If I took a shot every time some right-winger brought up Venezuela in conjunction with Socialism, I'd be dead by now. You guys are beating a dead horse. And it really boils down to the fact that you can't grasp that these issues are far more complex than "socialism is evil."

Why did Venezuela turn to Chavez? Why was he such a popular leader? Why did America attempt to assassinate him? What are the consequences of sanctions and embargoes, such as America imposed on Venezuela? What happens when political leadership is thoroughly opposed by a powerful economic elite opposition determined to see its destruction? What structural problems existed in Venezuela that contributed to the failures of the Bolivarian Revolution? To what extent did Chavez and Maduro enact socialist economic policies? What were the limitations of their "socialist" program and how did that affect their socioeconomic situation?

Just saying "socialism" in a louder tone to each of the above questions isn't an actual evaluation of the situation or response to a series of complex questions about a highly complex situation. Venezuela never came close to any semblance of a socialist economic program anyway, considering the extent to which the Chavez and Maduro regimes completely failed to democratize the economy and transfer ownership of the means of production to workers (at "best," they nationalized particular sectors of the economy and left a significant share of it in the hands of corrupt bureaucrats and elites with vested interests in seeing the regime crumble). The most significant accusation one can make against Chavez/Maduro isn't that they were successful Socialists who presided over a failed socialist program, but rather incompetent authoritarians (particularly Maduro) who had no realistic program (or even intention) of achieving economic democracy. They were then consumed by the inevitable rebellion by those with whom they compromised and left in positions of power, along with external pressures from global oil markets and American economic pressure.

[Mopsus]

What Ms. Omar misses is that the most diverse countries are the most stratified. America has always been at its most egalitarian when it was its most homogeneous.

What does this even mean?

It means that human beings self-segregate into communities of like individuals, which are inevitably going to have different values and different proximities to power (especially when individuals from certain parts of the world, say Asia, are imported specifically to fill out high-prestige parts of the economy, while individuals from other parts of the world, say Latin America, are imported specifically to fill out low-prestige parts of the economy). Of course the left-liberal plan is to exploit such divisions to bring down the Republic, but they can't consider her dead and buried until all of these communities are sufficiently mixed together, at which point the average American will be so deracinated and demoralized that he doesn't know what he believes or what community he belongs to: a tabula rasa, Generation Zero, slave in both mind and body to The System.

[ηєω ƒяσηтιєя]

What Ms. Omar misses is that the most diverse countries are the most stratified. America has always been at its most egalitarian when it was its most homogeneous.

What does this even mean?

It means that human beings self-segregate into communities of like individuals, which are inevitably going to have different values and different proximities to power (especially when individuals from certain parts of the world, say Asia, are imported specifically to fill out high-prestige parts of the economy, while individuals from other parts of the world, say Latin America, are imported specifically to fill out low-prestige parts of the economy). Of course the left-liberal plan is to exploit such divisions to bring down the Republic, but they can't consider her dead and buried until all of these communities are sufficiently mixed together, at which point the average American will be so deracinated and demoralized that he doesn't know what he believes or what community he belongs to: a tabula rasa, Generation Zero, slave in both mind and body to The System.

[Some of My Best Friends Are Gay]

What Ms. Omar misses is that the most diverse countries are the most stratified. America has always been at its most egalitarian when it was its most homogeneous.

What does this even mean?

It means that human beings self-segregate into communities of like individuals, which are inevitably going to have different values and different proximities to power (especially when individuals from certain parts of the world, say Asia, are imported specifically to fill out high-prestige parts of the economy, while individuals from other parts of the world, say Latin America, are imported specifically to fill out low-prestige parts of the economy). Of course the left-liberal plan is to exploit such divisions to bring down the Republic, but they can't consider her dead and buried until all of these communities are sufficiently mixed together, at which point the average American will be so deracinated and demoralized that he doesn't know what he believes or what community he belongs to: a tabula rasa, Generation Zero, slave in both mind and body to The System.

I'm going to recommend this post because it made me burst out laughing, not because I agree with it 😂

[Suburbia]

Omar has a point, but she is only enraging whites in to hating her more.

White people in America are killing themselves with drugs, stress, but their white neighborhoods are still desired among minorities. Well-manicured, leafy lawns, etc. I am not saying that these qualities are not seen in minority neighborhoods, but it is not common to a lot of people.

The question remains, in the 2040s and 2050s, what does this mean for America?

[Holmes]

What Ms. Omar misses is that the most diverse countries are the most stratified. America has always been at its most egalitarian when it was its most homogeneous.

This is an extremely bigoted sentiment, and it has no place in public discourse. I hope for your sake that you aren't this uncivil when you interact with people of color in real life.

[Progressive Pessimist]

Don't we have a megathread for this?

[Ilhan Apologist]

What Ms. Omar misses is that the most diverse countries are the most stratified. America has always been at its most egalitarian when it was its most homogeneous.

What does this even mean?

It means that human beings self-segregate into communities of like individuals, which are inevitably going to have different values and different proximities to power (especially when individuals from certain parts of the world, say Asia, are imported specifically to fill out high-prestige parts of the economy, while individuals from other parts of the world, say Latin America, are imported specifically to fill out low-prestige parts of the economy). Of course the left-liberal plan is to exploit such divisions to bring down the Republic, but they can't consider her dead and buried until all of these communities are sufficiently mixed together, at which point the average American will be so deracinated and demoralized that he doesn't know what he believes or what community he belongs to: a tabula rasa, Generation Zero, slave in both mind and body to The System.

DERACINATED? You know what, at least you're honest about what you believe.

[rob in cal]

 Hopefully, the non-interventionist "America First" (remember the America First movement of 1940-41 was born out of the desire to keep the US out of war) side of the Donald can reemerge, and he'll reign in the interventionists on  Venezuela. Wonder what would be happening if Gen Flynn was national security advisor right now?

[OSR stands with Israel]

Hopefully, the non-interventionist "America First" (remember the America First movement of 1940-41 was born out of the desire to keep the US out of war) side of the Donald can reemerge, and he'll reign in the interventionists on  Venezuela. Wonder what would be happening if Gen Flynn was national security advisor right now?

Wow what a great and successful example of non-interventionism.

[T'Chenka]

Trump attacked Omar and then Somalian refugees overall at a Minnesota rally yesterday, prompting twitter tesponses from Omar, Klobuchar and the mayor of Minneapolis.


On Ilhan Omar

For roughly six minutes Thursday night, President Trump predictably singled out Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.) during his campaign rally in her home district of Minneapolis. As photos of Omar wearing a headscarf flashed across jumbo screens at the Target Center in the city, Trump ramped up his broadsides against the freshman lawmaker, slamming her as an “America-hating socialist” and a “disgrace.”

Trump on Somalian refugees

"As you know, for many years, leaders in Washington brought large numbers of refugees to your state from Somalia without considering the impact on schools and communities and taxpayers,” Trump said as some in the crowd jeered, adding, “You should be able to decide what is best for your own cities and for your own neighborhoods, and that’s what you have the right to do right now, and believe me, no other president would be doing that.”

Source:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/10/11/trump-somali-refugees-minneapolis-rally/

[OSR stands with Israel]

When Trump talks about Omar, it is one of the rare times he tells the truth

[T'Chenka]

When Trump talks about Omar, it is one of the rare times he tells the truth

Why is being apalled at America not reaching it's potential and expectations and demanding more called "America hating" ehen spoken by "others" (minority of race or religion or ideology), but "patriotism" for "real" Americans (white and/or Republican)?

[OSR stands with Israel]

When Trump talks about Omar, it is one of the rare times he tells the truth

Why is being apalled at America not reaching it's potential and expectations and demanding more called "America hating" ehen spoken by "others" (minority of race or religion or ideology), but "patriotism" for "real" Americans (white and/or Republican)?

Her 9/11 comments were an utter disgrace and she hasnt once shown that she is grateful of this nation.

[T'Chenka]

When Trump talks about Omar, it is one of the rare times he tells the truth

Why is being apalled at America not reaching it's potential and expectations and demanding more called "America hating" ehen spoken by "others" (minority of race or religion or ideology), but "patriotism" for "real" Americans (white and/or Republican)?

Her 9/11 comments were an utter disgrace and she hasnt once shown that she is grateful of this nation.

Why do "others" have to publically dusplay how grateful they are to live in America, whereas for "real" Americans, it is simply implied and considered offensive to even question it?

[OSR stands with Israel]

When Trump talks about Omar, it is one of the rare times he tells the truth

Why is being apalled at America not reaching it's potential and expectations and demanding more called "America hating" ehen spoken by "others" (minority of race or religion or ideology), but "patriotism" for "real" Americans (white and/or Republican)?

Her 9/11 comments were an utter disgrace and she hasnt once shown that she is grateful of this nation.

Why do "others" have to publically dusplay how grateful they are to live in America, whereas for "real" Americans, it is simply implied and considered offensive to even question it?

Nope Steve King hates this country and is anti-American as well.

[Xeuma]

When Trump talks about Omar, it is one of the rare times he tells the truth

Why is being apalled at America not reaching it's potential and expectations and demanding more called "America hating" ehen spoken by "others" (minority of race or religion or ideology), but "patriotism" for "real" Americans (white and/or Republican)?

Her 9/11 comments were an utter disgrace and she hasnt once shown that she is grateful of this nation.

Please stop with this "grateful to live here" BS.

[OSR stands with Israel]

When Trump talks about Omar, it is one of the rare times he tells the truth

Why is being apalled at America not reaching it's potential and expectations and demanding more called "America hating" ehen spoken by "others" (minority of race or religion or ideology), but "patriotism" for "real" Americans (white and/or Republican)?

Her 9/11 comments were an utter disgrace and she hasnt once shown that she is grateful of this nation.

Please stop with this "grateful to live here" BS.

Its not bs , and I am bipartisan abut it. I dont think Steve King is grateful to really be an American either

[T'Chenka]

When Trump talks about Omar, it is one of the rare times he tells the truth

Why is being apalled at America not reaching it's potential and expectations and demanding more called "America hating" ehen spoken by "others" (minority of race or religion or ideology), but "patriotism" for "real" Americans (white and/or Republican)?

Her 9/11 comments were an utter disgrace and she hasnt once shown that she is grateful of this nation.

Please stop with this "grateful to live here" BS.

It's like some Republicans are keeping lists of which immigrants are grateful and which are not, so that one day if the law changes and the President gives them permission, they can giddily storm these peoples' houses, forcibly remove them from their homes and ship them back to where they came from.

[Xeuma]

When Trump talks about Omar, it is one of the rare times he tells the truth

Why is being apalled at America not reaching it's potential and expectations and demanding more called "America hating" ehen spoken by "others" (minority of race or religion or ideology), but "patriotism" for "real" Americans (white and/or Republican)?

Her 9/11 comments were an utter disgrace and she hasnt once shown that she is grateful of this nation.

Please stop with this "grateful to live here" BS.

Its not bs , and I am bipartisan abut it. I dont think Steve King is grateful to really be an American either

There's no requirement to be grateful. Honestly, if I was in her position, I wouldn't be grateful if the president and his ilk were sh**tting on me for daring to be a woman non-Christian smart enough to run for office. I don't even like her, she's demonstrated herself to be an anti-semite, why do we have to invent stuff like this? Just another example of the Republican drive for "quid pro quo". Y'all don't understand anything outside of that framework.