2024 Third Party and Independent Candidate General discussion

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For reference, these were the TERFs and other Gender Essentialists caucus in the party.

I have mentioned previously that the Green Party will be in the woods trying to find itself for another cycle or two, but honestly it all seems for the best given so called “greens” are joining the environmentally lax Libertarian party then. These people leaving have no political scruples or basic idea on what their politics are. It would be harmful if this was the rank-in-file, and not the high level operatives who led the Green Party down a path of failure for decades until the left faction exerted pressure in 2016. A warning for the Libertarians is to not accept these people in keeping their high positions.

Anyway, a lot of these moves are due to the long and vicious purge of loons in the party. From the 2019 takeover of the Colorado state party to the purge of the inactive liberals and rightists in the party. I’ve documented a lot of the transition here, and the difficulties expounded by the pressure by outside and inner fifth columns, and I still see it necessary and a good thing for the complete overhaul of the party.

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The utmost majority of feminists and a majority of women, especially those who vote third party, are not trans exclusionary and the position of being trans exclusionary is quite divorced from reality on the ground. More recently, these wreckers have served to divide and weaken the Green Party. Given they are leaving for a party against environmental regulation, they were never really “Green” in the first place.

No break of bylaws occurred, these people who had control of the Georgia Green Party were rightfully expelled and the National party finally took action against petty tyrants who took local parties and made it into their personal fiefdoms.

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There are now two splits from the Democratic Party during the Biden candidacy, Yanggangers and the People Party.

The last major splits from the Democrats were both regional based, where one generation of West Virginian progressives formed the Mountain Party (now in GPUS) and in 2021 with the foundation of a new People’s Party chapter. The former party has seats in local government and the latter took what was left of WV progressives. The last “nationwide” split was Rocky B. Anderson’s Justice Party.

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Like Rocky Anderson and the People Party, ego’s get in the way of pragmatism.

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Well, I was referring to the fact that former Democratic and Republican officials usually don’t join already established third parties and stick to their own. Rocky Anderson formed his own party, the progressive activist base formed their own party, Strom Thurmond and Wallace formed their own party, and the Constitution party exists as a refuge for disgruntled ex-Republicans. The whole swathes of progressive, left, fascist, or conservative parties out there do not get formed R’s and D’s.

The only exception to this was the Reform Party, the Libertarians in a mainly limited role locally, and West Virginian progressives now apart of the Green Party.

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Alright, I’m going to over analyze the incomplete results and go as the votes come in from the recall. From most votes for relevant third party and indy candidates to least, here’s my take

Dan Kapelowitz (G) Given the fact that the Green Party ran a nonexistant campaign where they ultimately endorsed a “No” vote, the fact that they came up on top with 1% of the No share is saying something. With a nonexistant campaign of a memester who had to compete with a Greenlib, and the rest of the Left (P&F, PSL, FRSO, DSA) sucking up to endorsing Newsom over Elder, the militancy of their campaign and stubbornness in endorsing No late shows something. Still a poor showing compared to 2003, but that was with a Green Party not conducting a rectification campaign and a more serious candidate. I must point out again that the progressive Anti-Newsom vote was split by greenlib Heather Collins and Dem newcomer Daniel “turncoat” Watts who got a higher raw vote total this time around.

Jeff Hewitt (L) Like the above candidate, a significant amount of would-be voters ended up voting for the duopoly, which was Elder. However, given the fact that Hewitt’s campaign was more serious than the above in a party who’s schtick is capturing the anti-lockdown-and-vax-mandates people, it isn’t as impressive. What’s more, according to recent data, this is all with a party who dwarfs the Greens by tens of thousands of registered voters, or .53%. Talk about weak voter retention.

Angelyne: The real runner-up in performance. Getting tens of thousands of new voters and being in the middle of this pack sure is something.

David Moore (SEP) Weird Sex Website’s overachiever and “winner” compared to all time, but not in raw votes (that’s in 2018). How a microsect which barely even exists and is considered a joke could do this so under the radar is saying to how the SEP’s dedicated followers will go to applying rhetoric to action.

 Michael Loebs (CNP) The real meme party here in this election. Getting 20k votes promoting secession is really…

…really…

Impressive and deserving of note.

Dennis Richter (SWP) Ultimately, the party’s increased activity in staying alive is of note by itself. 7k votes for the second most idiosyncratic group of Boomers who like Trotsky is really of note here

James G Hanink (ASP) Atlas’s favorite meme candidate went nowhere compared to the hype, but with reality they’ve doubled their vote share compared to 2020. They captured a very devoted niche demographic coalition of autistic Catholic uni converts and tradcaths.
COFOE, CATO, and a tripartite pact (Constitution, Libertarian, Green) are suing the Ohio board of commissions for locking out third parties from the Ohio election commission.
So outside of Florida, these are the last state Reform Parties left
https://mobile.twitter.com/Trevorlunsford2/status/1434926047930236936
In analyzing which trends have occurred since Occupy Wall Street, a deflated would-be revolution, and have intensified under the relatively more impactful BLM protests, would be that the political scene has become more fractured and tending to specific niches and cleavages—whether regional (VPP, Hawai’ian separatists, AIP, CNP), class-based(SAlt, WCP, Libertarians, Haute small fief lords in Yang and Pierce), ethnic (Alt-Reich), and religious (Marianne’s posse and ASP). We’ve seen activists try to assert themselves and break apart more established groups—PSL winning out over WWP, the existence of the Mountain and People’s Party, and the factional conflict in the Libertarians. With such niche caterings and a buyers market in factionalist clubs, intra party work is still being done and has strengthened into electoral pacts to go over the insane regional ballot laws.

Given the fluidity of all this and a propensity for information to spread, anyone who isn’t preparing for the rough times ahead of greater ballot access rat••••ing will get torn to shreds. With the decomposition of the broad based and locally personality driven WWP, Reform, and Constitution Party—the old is making way for the new, and it’s being one with a lot of blood being drawn against opponents.

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The thing is that the Libertarian or Green party would collapse if that was the case due to the many diverse interests in the parties.

Jill Steiners, ex-Panthers, and #BernieOrBusters ultimately are not the same people and have disparate interests on account of their material realities. Jill Steiners don’t like the social conservatives holding the Democratic Party hostage, but socialism is scary to these middle-income dimwits. Meanwhile, the lack of enthusiasm for Black liberation and building black wealth among the Garveyist path differs from soft-left technocrats who just want free healthcare and education.

Meanwhile the white collar professionals, small gay bookclub owners, and potheads. Ultimately, due to homophobia in society and the traumas of being in the closet and having to deal with theft, the middle grouping is very revolutionary and willing to do it all to stop the poor horde of brown people and the tax agents from discovering the ecstasy under the floorboards. The white collar professional isn’t revolutionary and wants lower taxes and the pothead has a good relationship with modern America’s eccentric cast of under-caste drug dealers they play PS4 every so often.

It’s difficult to find unity then if your party is a United band of different collectives and movements only there for convenience, who live different lifestyles and don’t enter out into others’ own worlds. Even the PSL, whose ideology is vaguely left-opportunism, has power struggles that they mend by ensuring that each leader has their own fiefdom and a chance to leave “cleanly”.

Purging is one way, but go too far and you are in for a bad time if you are small and under lots of pressure, as the SPA and Communist party can profess. Ultimately, diversity is a virtue that one can’t shed unless they are in a very high position of power and do a purging slow enough to still have the momentum (or guiding push of inertia). Look also at how the Transhumanist party got even more irrelevant with their main dude being pushed out, and how the Constitution Party’s purity and dictatorial egos broke the party.

Ultimately that’s why I think that unless the Catholic ASP broadens their horizons other than attuned uni students and strict Catholics, they will never hit it big even with them knowing how to run campaigns and have flashy PR, or how I see the Alliance as possibly growing even bigger given the balancing act they have mastered.
So apparently according to Canis a few DSA and lefty groups endorsed the SEP. Well that’s how the dedicated writing team at WSWS does it.

In other news the main Green Party candidate is at striking distance of passing the lowest voting Dem by 3k votes at this moment and the ASP is set to triple their vote share in this election. The Green liberal is set to surpass the CNP memester too.


Preliminary results brought to you by Can(nab)is shows an interesting map. Green Party strength is primarily in the North and Coast while Southern Interior California is barely Libertarian and Central Valley is competitive. The SEP candidate won oddly in geographically dispersed areas while the rest are by independents.

While this all may change, I have my ideas on why the Green Party did not sweep the vote compared to 2001’s recall. The answer primarily lies in the P&F party, whose strength lies with now elderly Latino agricultural workers and ex-students of Berkeley gentrified into Sacremento. They and the PSL among others endorsed and voted for Newsom. Outside of this, more radical Socialists see the Green Party as Bobos and prefer the SEP and their first party, the queen splitting SWP, as an alternative.

I’ll give a brief closing statement once the votes are counted.
The nonbinary candidate the PSL ran got >40% of the vote for city councilor, which is good all things considered given how cash strapped and alienating the PSL is to older voters even in a college town.

Anyway, outside of their usual Stop the Rent campaign, the PSL have been helping Hurricane Ida victims with food and supplies and helping LGBTQ groups in Utah organize against Queerphobia in Brightam Young University. Lotta activity coming from the party.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Trevorlunsford2/status/1434926047930236936

Take out Florida and New York, and these are the last full state parties left. Of course in some rural areas in the middle regions east of the Mississippi there’s a few Reform officeholders going off nostalgia.
So IPR and BAN’s comment section has gotten real nasty lately. You know you are in some deep s••• for brains when someone is railing against “big noses” in the AIP leadership and hearing “Oakies” outside of a Glenn Steinbeck novel. The real question is, what made these places the cesspits of reaction for third party enthusiasts? Were they all Ron Paulites who just never logged off. Do young people not care for discussions like this here?

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The thing is that the Libertarian or Green party would collapse if that was the case due to the many diverse interests in the parties.

They're still smaller tents than the 2 main parties.

Dude, no they are not.

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The thing is that the Libertarian or Green party would collapse if that was the case due to the many diverse interests in the parties.

They're still smaller tents than the 2 main parties.

Dude, no they are not.

If the tents were larger than there should be more people presently inside the tent.

I'm not a person that treats Marxism-Leninism and Trotskyism (or Minarchism and Objectivism) as if they're completely different philosophies that are impossible to reconcile.

Well the larger tents’ major leaders and politicians come from one lane.

Ideology often comes from the material reality, and given the mixed aspect of the party’s income come from different sectors and industries, you get factionalism.

Don’t look at the racial and occupational diversity in the duopoly as meaning anything, most are b••••s and slaves of the dominant donors.

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Robert Davis Steele is dead. He was the last of the fascist loons to run for Libertarian nomination before going straight ticket R.
SAlt has published their annual reflection of the going ons of the nation. Of note is their admittance that they came very much empty handed in their work within the DSA, and the shift right of the organization as a whole. They also, paradoxically, denounce “ultra-leftism” of building dual power in the streets, instead opting for acting as legal aid for labor unions in power.
https://mobile.twitter.com/AmSolidarity/status/1443265950204272649
https://mobile.twitter.com/PeoplesParty_US/status/1443743796680921098

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Any GP/LP news lately?

Outside of trying to save their ballot access in New York,no .

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#CancelTheRents protests in more than 60 cities. P&F, PSL, PP’s Code Pink, and the FSP are participating.

Like I hinted at previously, I would not be surprised for a relationship to form of the new PP to the PSL on account of two factors, the nexus of both organizations being from California and that there’s a relationship angle between Empire Files host Abby Martin and her Husband, Veteran Mike Prysner.

Oddly enough, the PP’s women section is apart of a new Internationale with the PSL.

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Before our main course, a word on the Liberation Party

”My spark started on May 14, 2018."

It was the day Blanding’s brother, Marcus-David Peters, was shot and killed by a Richmond Police Officer while experiencing a mental health crisis. The shooting was later ruled justified by the Richmond Commonwealth’s Attorney's office.

“Since my brother’s murder, myself, family members, and a continuously growing supporter base here in Richmond and beyond, have begged our local officials that we can’t bring Marcus back, but we can at least enact legislation that prioritizes community care and safety,” she said.

Lenin’s radicalization was the death of his brother through extrajudicial murder…
The California Libertarian vote exceeds 50,000 and the SEP has exceeded its 2018 high mark to 5,000 more raw votes. The CNP scored higher than the Green Liberals.
A lot of new additions have entered into the ring, getting in the back of old ones. The new Forward Party joins the CNP, SEP, and SWP in parties which have made their mark recently. The exceptional founding by a former Democratic primary candidate with mainstream attention joins the SWP’s rekindling presence nationwide. The SEP, through World Socialist Website, have provided superb journalism and a reinvention into a major presence among the American Left under everyone’s noses.

The list however joins older contenders. I’ve stated early on that I was thinking about adding the Socialist Party on accounts of their influence inside the Green Party and PCUSA’s entrance into the scene. So far the latter has done nothing of note and went through a split.

My idea is to remove at least two other entries in the list, specifically Kanye and the Constitution Party’s corpse given how burnt and inactive they are since 2020. I will wait till after New Jersey’s election to decide. Till then, I would like all of your thoughts on this matter.
https://mobile.twitter.com/AndrewYang/status/1445161231443189764

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With a candidate in Atlanta. I think that it is fair to say that the SWP has woken up and is on the move. The SWP has been dormant for nearly 40 years, suffering from splits and burnouts of cadres on a scale unseen of in political history. For Trotsky’s old (US-branch) party to be on the move after getting out of bed in 2016 and the house in 2020 sure is something.
Profiles on the diverse group running for NYC mayor
AIP suing to get rid of the top-4 initiative. Top anything’s are usually a good way to lock third parties out, just like how ranked choice voting offers an illusion of choice.
It seems like the importance of the official Green Party newsletter is coming back with more stories this year than in the 2016 election season and 2017.

They are reporting news like how the NJ Youth branch has grown by a 100 members this year alone.
The Alliance Party has endorsed the PRO Act and immigration amnesty programs. This party clearly are just a more upscale version of the Democratic Party. Of course, they could just be lying and obsfucating about their beliefs for retweets and clout like we’ve seen other parties do so.

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Princess Blanding getting mainstream attention after crashing the debate

https://mobile.twitter.com/PrinBlandingVA/status/1448048757493452802

I’d like for Blanding to join the GPV after the VA race is all set and done.

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With Top X ballot reforms all the rage by the local and state governments, it seems like the pushers of these legislation are billionaires. Of course.
The Co-chair of the Maryland Green Party has been detained and arrested on what is claimed to be trumped up charges for peacefully protesting

https://mobile.twitter.com/AWKWORDrap/status/1449483372192059395

Very similar to the arrests of the Salt Lake PSL protestors and more recent People’s Party M4A marchers
https://mobile.twitter.com/AmSolidarity/status/1450873188687257600

Also very scary stuff they are tweeting out for women and sexual minorities

https://mobile.twitter.com/AmSolidarity/status/1450484980363243527

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Also very scary stuff they are tweeting out for women and sexual minorities

https://mobile.twitter.com/AmSolidarity/status/1450484980363243527

They're right about this, though.

https://freddiedeboer.substack.com/p/anatomy-of-a-bad-idea-affirmative

Blaming the Sexual Revolution on this and painting that period as a bad thing is my main concern.

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ASP contesting Steubenville, OH by-election
https://mobile.twitter.com/AmSolidarity/status/1450874184071065605

I thought the whole "Stork as our party logo" thing was the dead giveaway the ASP is a Trojan Horse for Christian neoconservatism, Christian democracy at best.

Wow. You got that from a stork.

Regardless, we all know porcupines are best. Although it gives me an idea. If you had to come up with animals for third parties that presently don't have one for a symbol, what would they be? The Reform Party had the Eagle, although that can easily be called way too generic compared to the elephant, porcupine, and donkey.

Ok, this is difficult

PSL—we need an aggressive yet collectivist species with a present but weak hierarchical structure. A naked mole rat maybe?
Alliance—I get peacock vibes from them
SWP—beaver on account of their working class background
Socialist Alternative— bumble bee; see the PSL explanation
Forward—Dodo bird

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Peace and Freedom—Eel or Hippo on account of them having a codependent relationship with other leftist dentist fish and birds

Independence Party of New York—a fox on account of them being shifty

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So the Forward Party’s main plan is running in Democratic and Republican primaries.

Yeah, I’m not including Yang’s vanity project in this list, under the same reason the DSA and Communist Party are not included. So we are adding the SEP—or at minimum the WSWS—SWP, the Cali AIP, and the CNP most definitely in November on account of activity coming from the party. Next on the list if they appear active are PCUSA and then SPUSA when they start running for things in 2022

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So the Forward Party’s main plan is running in Democratic and Republican primaries.

So they're the Working Families Party but going to which primary makes more sense. It tells me they want to stay New York-focused. If they actually stay their own political brand, they're just being entryists. The main parties now have long been pretty weak and for most of the country only function as a cohesive unit as it concerns a ballot access line. Now whether they stay their own political brand - Forward Democrats and Forward Republicans working together in elections - is easier said in theory than in practice.

They are just going to be a cult around Yang.
A Left Unity slate appears backing the following candidates

Gary Blenner (Green), CA Secretary of State
Laura Wells (Green), CA Controller
Dan Kapelovitz (Green), CA Attorney General
Meghann Adams (Peace and Freedom), CA Treasurer
Nathalie Hrizi (Peace and Freedom), CA Insurance Commissioner
John Parker (Peace and Freedom), US Senate

What I expect is the National Green Party following the California endorsement of Cortez’s campaign for Congress along with begrudgingly backing CPUSA candidate Steven Estrada’s bid for state house district 1 in Long Beach. While nice to see official endorsements and help across candidates, this changes not a whole lot of support left unsaid.

There’s also the current list outside of California with the endorsement of various labor unions and community groups, the DSA, SAlt, among others here.

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The PSL seems to not be concerned with petitioning to be on the ballot. This could be explained by them not knowing about these deadlines, which I doubt, or that they don’t see the material benefit in petitioning and wasting resources that could be put into their new base-building mutual aid work or ANSWER.

Still, that’s better than the Constitution Party, which from numerous splits and natural decline in voting base is expected to go extinct in one election cycle.
So apparently Nikita Oliver is a founder of the Oregon People’s Party. That makes the Seattle election a match against the Seattle Left—progressive Democrats and Seattle DSA, People’s Party, Progressive Party, and Socialist Alternative mainly—fighting for control against the bipartisan Oregon Democratic state party and the Republican Party.

Well this is going to be some show the 2nd.

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Election Day is today

https://mobile.twitter.com/AlliancePTY/status/1454813020723548164

https://mobile.twitter.com/GreenPartyUS/status/1455322096310136838

https://mobile.twitter.com/GreenPartyUS/status/1455555870813732874

https://mobile.twitter.com/GreenPartyUS/status/1455564914035200011

https://mobile.twitter.com/ReformParty/status/1451296800279863297

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Also very scary stuff they are tweeting out for women and sexual minorities

https://mobile.twitter.com/AmSolidarity/status/1450484980363243527

They're right about this, though.

https://freddiedeboer.substack.com/p/anatomy-of-a-bad-idea-affirmative

Blaming the Sexual Revolution on this and painting that period as a bad thing is my main concern.

"Pictured: the current status of the Sexual Revolution" seems more like a criticism of the present moment than a criticism of "that period," but I see your point.

Well, actually…

https://mobile.twitter.com/AmSolidarity/status/1455318707744428034

This is consistent with many “modernist” Catholics “supporting” the “Second wave” of feminism.

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#GreenWave. Are they Tulane supporters?

Tulane university?