Why did Trump improve with white women but not white men?

[Tekken_Guy]

Why did Trump improve with white women from his 2016 performance, but not with white men?

[Alben Barkley]

Hmm… What were the genders of the 2016 and 2020 Democratic nominees again?

Turns out maybe sexism was a factor after all! Who would have thought???

[Bootes Void]

I don't think he did but overall the gender gap shrunk in 2020 so we know that much

[Ashley Biden's Diary]

Trump had already pretty much maxed out with white men in 2016, plus Hillary was such a uniquely hated person with the demographic. White women were probably frightened by BLM burning down America.

[If my soul was made of stone]

Trump's history of sexual impropriety and misogyny wasn't nearly the major issue that it was in the 2016 campaign, and for better or for worse seemed to be largely forgotten as part of the standard autopsy narrative that HRC focused too much on Trump as a person and not enough on policy. Someone more cynical and skeptical of faith than me could make an argument about the general tendency of women to be more religious intersecting with pro-Trump conspiracy theories and his support from sundry Pentecostal hucksters, but that feels a bit reductive and patronizing.

[TransfemmeGoreVidal]

It was a reversion to the mean. The GOP really has no more room to gain among white men.

[The Mikado]

The Pew dataset you're referring to has white women at 47-45 Trump in 2016 and 53-46 Trump in 2020. While this is shifting from Trump winning them by 2 to winning them by 7, it's ALSO true that 46 is higher than 45 and this result might be better understood as non-2016-voting or 2016-third party white women heavily breaking Trump rather than a big Clinton->Trump vote.

[sting in the rafters]

1) Trump's gains with white women seem to mostly have him expanding with HS or less voters as a whole. Biden actually improved on Clinton's performance with voters that have some college experience.

2) Biden is personally popular (for a Democrat anyway) with white men. He surprisingly did about as well as Obama 08 did

[Suburbia]

It was a reversion to the mean. The GOP really has no more room to gain among white men.

Explain.

[TransfemmeGoreVidal]

It was a reversion to the mean. The GOP really has no more room to gain among white men.

Explain.

Just a guess, I could be wrong *shrugs*

[Horus]

QAnon

[Fusternino]

Because the 2020 election had more to do with race while the 2016 election had more to do with gender. Also, think of the stereotypical third party voter . . . they're a white guy. And these voters from 2016 Biden won decisively in 2020.

And no, the GOP is not maxed out on white men. I think there's an upper ceiling of 70% of the white vote in general, looking 20 years into the future.

[TheElectoralBoobyPrize]

"Grab 'em by the pussy" had been forgotten about...

[sting in the rafters]

Because the 2020 election had more to do with race while the 2016 election had more to do with gender. Also, think of the stereotypical third party voter . . . they're a white guy. And these voters from 2016 Biden won decisively in 2020.

And no, the GOP is not maxed out on white men. I think there's an upper ceiling of 70% of the white vote in general, looking 20 years into the future.

Agree with the rest of your analysis, but you really think they can surpass Reagan '84 getting 2/3rds of the white vote with how younger whites tend to lean D?

[Progressive Pessimist]

Karens?

[Schiff for Senate]

Clinton was a white woman; Biden was not...Some white women were energised to support the first ever female nominated for president by one of the big parties.

[The Mikado]

Clinton was a white woman; Biden was not...Some white women were energised to support the first ever female nominated for president by one of the big parties.

It's like nobody who posted after me read my post pointing out that going from 47-45 Trump to 53-46 Trump involves an actually higher share of white women voting for Biden than for Clinton even as the margin grew for Trump...

[Beet]

Clinton was a white woman; Biden was not...Some white women were energised to support the first ever female nominated for president by one of the big parties.

It's like nobody who posted after me read my post pointing out that going from 47-45 Trump to 53-46 Trump involves an actually higher share of white women voting for Biden than for Clinton even as the margin grew for Trump...

Sure but what's your point? All it shows is the two party vote was higher in 2020 which is true across all demographics. The point is relatively speaking, white women shifted to Trump.

The obvious reason for that is Hillary being a white woman.

That plus the Democrats spent the summer blasting Karen's (which was ironically one of the most Democratic names among women lol).

[Bootes Void]

It seems like a third party conservative leaning white women who didn't like Trump in 2016 because he was an aldulterer, really crass and a sexual assultuter seem to have grown on him over the 4 years through his presidency. So it more likely than not alot of third parties/ non voting 2016 voters came to Trump in 2020 rather than a lot of Clinton-Trump voters

[Adam Griffin]

Sexism is the single-biggest and most obvious answer for the shift between men and women between 2016-20, but that alone doesn't explain exactly why Biden improved so much in absolute terms with white men. He even did 3-4 points better than Obama did in 2012 (though about 8 points worse than '08). It's probably safe enough of an assumption to say that "gender, race and strong anti-incumbent sentiment/lack of 3P vote" is the explanation (in order from most to least influential).