Who do you think will win the Vienna state election ?

[Antonio the Sixth]

The only way that the SPOe redeem themselves is if they increase immigration levels; people are probably unhappy with the centre-left because there hasn't been enough immigration.

You're partly right. The solution to the "problem" of immigration is to draw in more immigrants and naturalize them, so as to drown out the racist vote. This strategy is already starting to pay off in the US. I wish Europe was smart enough to follow suit...

As for the poll question, in case of a tie I always bet on the worst outcome, so FPÖ.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Besides, it's deeply disturbing that you advocate naturalizing foreigners only for the purpose of winning elections for center-left parties. If they have to rely solely on this to win, they are politically bankrupt because it shows that they have no solutions to actual problems...

That's not the only reason I support it. I also think taking in more immigrants is morally right as well as beneficial both economically and culturally. In short, there are only advantages. The electoral marginalization of racists is only a welcome side-effect.

Besides, it's deeply disturbing that you advocate naturalizing foreigners only for the purpose of winning elections for center-left parties. If they have to rely solely on this to win, they are politically bankrupt because it shows that they have no solutions to actual problems ...

That's liberals for ya

Indeed!

Liberals - bringing in new voters to win elections.

Conservatives - disenfranchising voters to win elections.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Antonio, no offense but your politics are what happens when moralistic signalling gets out of control.

Why? Is being radically pro-immigration an inherently moralistic stance, can't it be defended on utilitarian grounds as well?

[Antonio the Sixth]

In the case you guys don't get it, the tone of my post wasn't exactly serious. The substance was (I believe that more immigration would be a blessing for European societies) but the overreaction to what was only me putting that in terms designed to annoy Hifly and his fellow xenophobic trolls is getting ridiculous.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Besides, it's deeply disturbing that you advocate naturalizing foreigners only for the purpose of winning elections for center-left parties. If they have to rely solely on this to win, they are politically bankrupt because it shows that they have no solutions to actual problems...

That's not the only reason I support it. I also think taking in more immigrants is morally right as well as beneficial both economically and culturally. In short, there are only advantages. The electoral marginalization of racists is only a welcome side-effect.

Why should it be morally right to crowd out a people in their own homeland?

Because I don't believe that being born on the right side of a border gives you a right to deny people who were born on the wrong side the same chances you had in your life. As long as they conform to the basic democratic rules of the place they settle in, people should have the right to live wherever they want to.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Blame Hifly.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Blame Hifly.

Hifly is not to blame.

Yes he is, just read the first post in this thread. He is the one who randomly started trolling about immigration.