Islamophobic shooting in Christchurch, NZ

[Middle-aged Europe]

Terrible tragedy

What happened to the shooters? I don't have much time to read up on everything that's going on. Are they still at large?

3 men and one women were arrested in connection with these shootings.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Guys, I understand emotions are running high, but I've just deleted (mostly without infractions) questionable posts of all variety and attempts at thread derailing. Please keep it decent, as befitting the tragic occasion.

[Karpatsky]

Frankly I'm surprised it took this long for the chans to produce another mass murderer considering the depths to which they've sunk in past years.

I'm starting to be of two minds about internet anonymity in general; it seems that a lot of people simply have little to no independent moral understanding and need social pressure to act half-decently.

[Co-Chair Bagel23]

I bet scores of New Zealanders are proud of this guy.

Outrageous statement. Do you know anything at all about New Zealand?

Evidently enough hate us to spill our blood on the streets

One person did. One.

Just one? Doubt. More are in custody, more supported him, more share his ideology,  there are bad apples in every nation. This is not the first or last time tragedies like this will exist.

[DabbingSanta]

We can't keep burying our heads in the sand. 49 innocent people were killed at their place of worship. I might not agree with certain values of Islam but this is nothing less than a horrific terrorist attack.  The alt right culture needs to be condemned and the anonymous trolls need to be outed. There is blood on people's hands.

[AtorBoltox]

I bet scores of New Zealanders are proud of this guy.

Outrageous statement. Do you know anything at all about New Zealand?

Evidently enough hate us to spill our blood on the streets

One person did. One.

Just one? Doubt. More are in custody, more supported him, more share his ideology,  there are bad apples in every nation. This is not the first or last time tragedies like this will exist.

As much as it pains me to to say this you should be going after us Australians if you want a country to blame. That's where the shooter was from, and our media and political culture is far more likely to have inspired him than New Zealand

[parochial boy]

I bet scores of New Zealanders are proud of this guy.

Outrageous statement. Do you know anything at all about New Zealand?

Evidently enough hate us to spill our blood on the streets

One person did. One.

Just one? Doubt. More are in custody, more supported him, more share his ideology,  there are bad apples in every nation. This is not the first or last time tragedies like this will exist.

And ascribing collective guilt is no different to holding muslims responsible when the reverse happens. You get that, right?

[rosin]

In a 74-page "manifesto" on the internet, the main Christchurch shooter writes - among a lot of standard right-wing conspiracy crap - that he was inspired and endorsed by the Norwegian mass shooter Anders Behring Breivik (who killed 77 in shootings in 2011) 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/15/rightwing-extremist-wrote-manifesto-before-livestreaming-christchurch-shooting

[DabbingSanta]

I made the profound mistake of watching the terrorist's video. The most disturbing thing of the many disturbing things about it was that it's remarkable how similar it looks to those stupid video games these people play. I don't expect to have good dreams tonight.

I saw it on accident and now am legit having a big mental breakdown over it. I can't ever unsee those images or unhear the gunshots and screaming. It made me think about my family, I won't even go to Friday prayers tomorrow because of this.

Praying for you and the whole Muslim community today. Please do not let this silence your community. Freedom of religion is so important. Be proud of who you are and stand strong. We are with you.

[MaxQue]

Terrible tragedy

What happened to the shooters? I don't have much time to read up on everything that's going on. Are they still at large?

3 men and one women were arrested in connection with these shootings.

One of them have been freed since then.

[Co-Chair Bagel23]

I bet scores of New Zealanders are proud of this guy.

Outrageous statement. Do you know anything at all about New Zealand?

Evidently enough hate us to spill our blood on the streets

One person did. One.

Just one? Doubt. More are in custody, more supported him, more share his ideology,  there are bad apples in every nation. This is not the first or last time tragedies like this will exist.

And ascribing collective guilt is no different to holding muslims responsible when the reverse happens. You get that, right?

There are some bad apples amongst us as well, yes.

[Koharu]

I made the profound mistake of watching the terrorist's video. The most disturbing thing of the many disturbing things about it was that it's remarkable how similar it looks to those stupid video games these people play. I don't expect to have good dreams tonight.

I saw it on accident and now am legit having a big mental breakdown over it. I can't ever unsee those images or unhear the gunshots and screaming. It made me think about my family, I won't even go to Friday prayers tomorrow because of this.

Praying for you and the whole Muslim community today. Please do not let this silence your community. Freedom of religion is so important. Be proud of who you are and stand strong. We are with you.

This. That said, stay home to feel safe if you need to. Don't feel like you have to do anything to prove anything to anyone. Take care of yourself and know that you are loved and there are many of us praying for you.

[Omega21]

Just watched the full video of what he did, and yeah, I hope NZ has the death penalty, as I wouldn't want my taxes wasted on a piece of meat that doesn't deserve to live.

The white writings on his gun are names of various European national heroes/battles against the Ottomans, so he definitely did research and planned this for a long time.

May the Dead Rest in Peace and I hope the wounded survive.

[Koharu]

Also, another request: Please, please don't watch or share the video or clips of it or anything.

The culprit was a terrorist. The goal was, in addition to the deaths, to cause fear. Watching the video only allows that victory. Just know that the deaths happened: that horror is enough.

Edited to add: The Dangerous Spread of Extremist Manifestos

This article is from February, when we thankfully averted a mass killing. The killing being discussed now was possibly also inspired by the person mentioned in this article.

Hasson is only the latest acolyte that Breivik has attracted in the years since his 2011 attack. Both terrorists and nonideological killers have attempted to emulate him directly, with deadly results. The Newtown shooter Adam Lanza reportedly collected news clippings on Breivik’s attack and other incidents of mass violence before he killed 20 children at the Sandy Hook Elementary School. Other young men, such as the British college student Liam Lyburd, have been inspired to plan or carry out mass shootings based on their admiration for Breivik’s lethality, rather than his beliefs.

[afleitch]

When was the last time YouTube recommended an ISIS video to you? It doesn't because they make sure it doesn't. Yet why can't I escape recommendations for alt right/white nationalist vids or memes? Young people are being radicalised and we're not doing enough about it. 'It's just memes' is plausable deniability.

[IceAgeComing]

Frankly I'm surprised it took this long for the chans to produce another mass murderer considering the depths to which they've sunk in past years.

I'm starting to be of two minds about internet anonymity in general; it seems that a lot of people simply have little to no independent moral understanding and need social pressure to act half-decently.

I think that internet culture played a role but I don't think that anonymity is the whole story.  I'm protective about disconnecting my online and offline lives bar with people that I've learned to trust and I think that often leads to better conversation and discussions.

The issue for me is a couple of things but the primary one is the weaponisation of jokes, memes and "irony" to normalise what are distasteful and disgusting views.  The idea is to present something as it is a joke to give yourself plausible deniability while believing the ideas spread.  You can go back to when it started or which movements far right people latched themselves on to to try and get some amount of popular support but clearly radicalisation in this form is something that we need to address and need to address soon.  I don't think that its something that there really can be a legal solution to; realistically the answer has to the the old fashioned but hard to do thing where decent, ordinary people call out people who say such things either to convince them to change their mind (or realise the social harm in not being seen to have) or to have them not have their views accepted in polite society.  Its a slog I admit and not easy, but solutions to these things never are.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Yes, this is a good time to remind there's no such thing as assured anonymity in the internet.

[IceAgeComing]

Which is something I should have mentioned - just need to look at the many poor people who've been doxxed for crimes like... talking about feminism?

[GP270watch]

This story is heartbreaking.

[Tender Branson]

Kalwejt, why are you constantly removing my posts ?

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Guys, I understand emotions are running high, but I've just deleted (mostly without infractions) questionable posts of all variety and attempts at thread derailing. Please keep it decent, as befitting the tragic occasion.

You have deleted my posts (not sure why).

Let me repeat the points I made:

First off, it's neither right nor appropriate time. Second, this kind of ahat-aboutism, no matter how cleverly disguised, is simply unacceptable. Just as well as trying to normalize, whether intentionally or unintentionally, the motivations between that utterly despicable act. And it's not like an occassional slip, when one considers your behavior.

If you have a post deleted/moderated and disagree with the decision, try to take it up via proper channels (Atlas board or by messaging moderators), instead of repeating your offense in the same thread.

Also: take note I removed posts that were calling you out, sometimes in pretty direct manner.

[Tender Branson]

Guys, I understand emotions are running high, but I've just deleted (mostly without infractions) questionable posts of all variety and attempts at thread derailing. Please keep it decent, as befitting the tragic occasion.

You have deleted my posts (not sure why).

Let me repeat the points I made:

First off, it's neither right nor appropriate time. Second, this kind of ahat-aboutism, no matter how cleverly disguised, is simply unacceptable. Just as well as trying to normalize, whether intentionally or unintentionally, the motivations between that utterly despicable act. And it's not like an occassional slip, when one considers your behavior.

If you have a post deleted/moderated and disagree with the decision, try to take it up via proper channels (Atlas board or by messaging moderators), instead of repeating your offense in the same thread.

This is unacceptable.

You are deleting my posts randomly out of a personal assumption that I'm "disguising" or "normalizing" something ?

WTF ?

That's not moderating but dictatorial censorship.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Tender, I'm not going to let you derail this thread by making it all about yourself. Use proper chanel (PM modadmins or go to the Atlas board) if you have a complain.

[Former President tack50]

When was the last time YouTube recommended an ISIS video to you? It doesn't because they make sure it doesn't. Yet why can't I escape recommendations for alt right/white nationalist vids or memes? Young people are being radicalised and we're not doing enough about it. 'It's just memes' is plausable deniability.

I think YouTube makes suggestions based on what you've been watching. I watched like 2 or 3 alt right videos once out of curiosity and I inmediately got a ton more and had to manually tell YouTube I'm not interested.

I imagine if you saw ISIS recruitment videos you'd get a lot more. Same with any other hateful ideology.

At the end of the day, for businesses it's all about making money.

[Intell]

Fraser Anning is scum btw.