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patrick1
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« on: December 07, 2004, 07:28:25 PM »

Woodrow Wilson, the man who was most responsible for WWI dragging out at least one year longer than it had to and for the occurence of WWII.

Britain and France's policy of severe reparations had a lot more to do with the start of WWII than anything Wilson did.  Please provide some facts for your argument.  How did he prolong the war and start WWII? 
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patrick1
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« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2004, 07:41:29 PM »

Woodrow Wilson, the man who was most responsible for WWI dragging out at least one year longer than it had to and for the occurence of WWII.

Britain and France's policy of severe reparations had a lot more to do with the start of WWII than anything Wilson did.  Please provide some facts for your argument.  How did he prolong the war and start WWII? 


If your argument will be that the U.S. should have let Britain and France lose the war, I will disagree pre-emptively.  I think it is a good thing that the "democratic" nations won. The Ottoman, Austro-Hungarian and German empires were vestiges of an earlier era and I am glad they were dismantled. 
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patrick1
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« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2004, 10:22:54 PM »

I believe the argument is that America's entrance into WWI allowed Britian and France to be in a position to demand such repremations. Which can be led to a 'butterfly effect' which led to WWII.

Woodrow Wilson, the man who was most responsible for WWI dragging out at least one year longer than it had to and for the occurence of WWII.

Britain and France's policy of severe reparations had a lot more to do with the start of WWII than anything Wilson did. Please provide some facts for your argument. How did he prolong the war and start WWII?


If your argument will be that the U.S. should have let Britain and France lose the war, I will disagree pre-emptively. I think it is a good thing that the "democratic" nations won. The Ottoman, Austro-Hungarian and German empires were vestiges of an earlier era and I am glad they were dismantled.

I wouldnt neccesarly say that it was our bussiness to intervene. I dont know for sure. Keep in mind what *eventually* replaced the German Empire.


Germany sank our merchant shipping and conspired with Mexico.  The Nazi parties rise was due more to economics and an abusive peace treaty not really anything that Wilson did.  Had the Central powers one you would have seen a strengthening of un-natural hegemonies.  The Versailles treaty failed in many ways but at least it somewhat attempted to give ethnic minorities self determination.  i.e. creation of Poland, Czech-slovak state and a nation for South slavs.  The central powers had no such designs. The allies had their faults but I feel that an allied victory was vastly superior to the alternative.
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patrick1
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« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2004, 12:45:08 AM »

Britain mined international waters and seized neutral assets back in 1914, so any claims to Allied moral superiority are pure propoganda.  However, if we were to side with the Allies, if we had done so earlier, the war would have ended by 1917 at the latest.  Instead, Wilson's pseudo-neutrality dragged out the war.  With a quicker war, there would have been no Soviet Union.  A quicker war would likely have ended in a negotiated peace that would have left no side so humiliated that WWII would have been inevitable just 20 years later.    Wilson meant well, but his policies ended up dooming Europe to millions more violent deaths in the 20th Century than needed to have been.  Even given a Central Powers victory, the collapse of the ramshackle Hapsburg empire was inevitable, altho like our own history, it may have taken the entirety of the 20th century to see its final collapse, as the last remnants of Hapsburgism only ended in the last decade with the break up of Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia.  And finally given our own sorry treatment of Mexico in the early part of the 20th century (let alone the 19th), it could well be argued that Germany was offerring to help Mexico with its overbearing neighbor to the north that coveted its oil fields, just as we helped Kuwait with its overbearing neighbor to the north that coveted its oilfields.

I agree with the majority of what you are saying but I just felt that Wilson was getting an unfair bad rap.  Hindsight is 20/20.  I commend Wilson for his efforts to have small nations and peoples gain some form of self determination.He was a little too idealistic about a lot of things but his heart was in the right place..  At least Poland had a twenty year run while it lasted. 
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