Austrian Elections & Politics 4.0

[Former President tack50]

ÖVP+FPÖ presented their common education platform today (nothing really controversial):

http://derstandard.at/2000068669389/Lehrer-sollen-kuenftig-nach-Leistung-bezahlt-werden

Some points:

* more funding for kindergartens + elementary/middle schools and kids (to screen for and help talents early on), strengthening of social and creative skills of students.

* teaching kids Austrian/Western/liberal values early on, from kindergarten. Children from (Muslim) migrant backgrounds will have to pass a level of German before entering elementary school, or take additional German lessons if they are not passing that basic level after 2 years of kindergarten. If migrant parents with a potential radical background do not send their kids to school or tell them not to shake hands with female teachers etc., welfare benefits of these parents will be cut.

* more comprehensive, all-day schooling (to help out working moms in the afternoon)

* teaching kids more economic/entrepreneurial competence in school, such as e-learning, digital media, coding and how to create/run a business ...

* stricter controls of Muslim kindergartens and if necessary ... they will be shut down, if they do not follow state guidelines. Kindergarten lead teachers will need to have a mandatory university degree and outside financing (from Turkey, Saudi Arabia) will be banned.

* teachers will be rewarded if they produce good educational results among their students and teachers will have to take mandatory skill enhancement courses throughout the year to remain up-to-date.

I think that's unconstitutional, both according to Austrian constitution and EUHRC.

anyway fair play to FPÖ, unlike their Afd\FN\Ukip counterparts they actually look like a party capable of governing.

That's probably easy to make constitutional though. Just remove the "migrant parents" part and that's it. Applying it to all Austrians wouldn't be an issue. Let's be honest, the amount of Austrians without any migration background doing that is almost certainly 0.

And yeah, FPÖ seems like a decent party. Not exactly my cup of tea but I do think that my ideal government in Austria would probably be an SPÖ-FPÖ coalition.

[Former President tack50]

Pamela Rendi-Wagner has been officially presented as new, future SPÖ-leader today after a federal party meeting in Vienna.

She got the unanimous backing of the SPÖ leadership and will be elected new party leader by delegates at the November 23 convention.

https://derstandard.at/2000087809296/SPOe-Praesidium-designiert-Rendi-Wagner-als-Parteichefin

That means of all parties that were ever represented in the Austrian parliament since WW2, only the ÖVP never had a female party leader so far ...

Wait, just like that? No primaries at all? Or even just a contested convention in November?

That sounds quite bad. Are primaries or contested conventions normal in Austria? Or is the more usual method simply a meeting behind closed doors like here?

[Former President tack50]

RIP Wels and those parts of Vienna with percentages of non German speakers in the 80s.

And I'm not the kind of person that usually freaks out about inmigrants, but them not learning German or using it as their primary language is literally the worst thing that can happen and shows that their integration level is essencially nonexistent.

Austria shouldn't allow this. If you've lived in Austria your entire life, you must speak flawless German. Of course, first generation inmigrants should be excluded from this, anyone learning a language as an adult or even an older child will never be perfect native speakersand probably will always have an accent, even if it's a faint one.

But anyone born in Austria and living in Austria for their entire life must speak flawless native German, no exceptions. Same goes with any other country in Europe really.

[Former President tack50]

Hang out n, it doesn't say they can't speak German, just that it isn't their mother tongue

Which is perfectly normal for second generation immigrants and not a sign that they aren't integrating

Actually, wouldn't every person who speaks native level German still count as their mother tongue?

You can certainly have more than 1 mother tongue, and these second generation inmigrants should be the kinds of people who do (German at school and with one of their parents if it's a mixed marriage, their home language at home)

And ideally third generation inmigrants should stop using the other language at all (other than as a foreign language) but 3rd generation inmigrants haven't happened in big numbers yet in Austria I guess (though they certainly should be there in places like France and the UK)

[Former President tack50]

Also, seen at the weekly "Thursday Protests" in Vienna (protests by left-wingers against the ÖVP-FPÖ government that Omega21 mentioned above):



"We pay taxes. We are people. We are Mustafa & Ali. We are here too."

My German is very far from perfect, but wouldn't that be written something like "Wir zahlen Steuern, wir sind Menschen, wir sind Mustafa & Ali, wir sind hier auch" instead?