France General Discussion

[Antonio the Sixth]

BTW, Ségo is a mad woman. She proved it once again.

Didn't see the news today, i missed something?

It's lasting since some days but I didn't make the remark before. The stuff with Peillon...

[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

BTW, Ségo is a mad woman. She proved it once again.

Didn't see the news today, i missed something?

It's lasting since some days but I didn't make the remark before. The stuff with Peillon...

Madness is trendy...

[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

http://fr.news.yahoo.com/63/20091115/ted-martine-aubry-fait-la-une-de-closer-07dc05d.html

Lol.

It speaks about the fact that Martine Aubry is on the cover of the French Closer.

[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

Martine Aubry in "A vous de juger", currently:

J'aime bien avoir de l'autorité mais je n'aime pas être autoritaire.

In short it means she has problem do act with authority. What a chief.

Keep cool Martine, there is someone else who has no problem with authority in your party, which is what your party misses...

[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

What's happening in "A vous de juger":

Blahblahblah......alliances modem.....;oui......;blahblahblah........;;nous sommes humanistes....blahblahblha.......;oui l'écologie c'est bien.............blhablhablhaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh.......sarkozy is evil blhablhablha........but we're not runnig agaainst sarkozy...........we need a new project first......;blahblahblhah.........the opposition can be diverse........blahalbhalhb.......

Good is good and bad is evil.

Martine Aubry, Marielle de Sarnez, and Arlette Chabot. Real TV is growing on France Télévisions now they film old bobos in their tea saloon. If all political shows were like that on FT Sarkozy could be right in complaining. Though luckily it remains decent enough things like "7 à voir" or "C politique".

That's still won't be tonight they'll make up their mind.

Poor Martine, she really seems out, you want to tell her: "say all the s**t you think of the f**king situation in your f**king camp!! say what you think!! don't remake what Hollande did!! Or give up, please."

Oh and, btw, pardon, big mistake from me:

3 candidates for primaries:

Bertand Delanoë François Hollande (representing Martine and friends, all the Jospin generation)
Manuel Valls (for the youngs, most of those those who were behind Royal, Assouline, Filipetti, well the kitties gang)
Ségolène Royal (for...the people)

It has become clear that it was a big mistake from me since I saw him last Sunday, in an enough good night show "7 à voir" presented by Samuel Etienne.

You all knew Franky the Clown? Now you'll discover Franky the Nasty.

And we'll be with Franky vs. Seeg, and our news and the news in West will enjoy it, and,There will be blood. Actually.

Well, this still under normal situations.

Now what I really wonder about is which role will the Greens play in the primaries, if they play one. While Cohn Bendit came close of Bayrou lately he really seemed at home, but Bayrou won't run the primaries, at least that's what he said, politics is allowing itself a lot of 180° nowadays...

Anyways, nothing can be really told about them before the results of regionals I think.

Oh and, they present a guy like an "Obama from Modem" now, Alain Dolium, first time i hear of him, headlist of Modem in IdF. Doesn't seem bad, but he doesn't seem to be someone especially exceptional.

[Hash]

The FN has gone gaga again:

[Joe Republic]

Translation plz

[Hash]

Translation plz

'Young Frenchman, defend your identity'

"It's very good that there are yellow French, black French and brown French. They show that France is open to all races and that she has a universal vocation. But on condition that they remain a small minority. Or else, France would not be France. We are still, before everything, a European people of white race, of Greek and Latin culture and Christian religion".

'National Front of Youth, the spirit of resistance'

[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

Do you know if the quote is actual?

Anyways no matter it is or not, héhé, that's the French model in all it's actuality all the limits of the French model are said here. Not saying that everything is to be thrown to be the basket, but, the borders of it and what make it in troubles nowadays are those expressed here.

[Hash]

Do you know if the quote is actual?

I wouldn't put it past the FN to make up sh**t

[big bad fab]

Funny, I was about to post it Thanks, Hash

The quotation is actual (again, it's from this fantastic book by ugly Peyrefitte: "C'était de Gaulle").

But beware of the context, please...:
De Gaulle said that to explain, in private, that Algeria can't become 100% French, because the demographic majority would rather quickly change... This was a way to refuse colonialists and Pieds-Noirs' ideas for extending "la métropole" to include Algeria.

What is really funny in this campaign by the FNJ is that Le Pen and a big part of the FN were politically born in the "Algérie française" movement...

That's another sign that we are entering an era of "post-politics": nobody has any historical culture any longer on the political scene... Everything is short mottos, televised fights, "petites phrases", emotions, etc.
Panzergirl Marine Le Pen will fit well the whole bunch of Royal, Sarkozy, Villepin, Bayrou, Bové, Besancenot, Raffarin,...

[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

Ok, well, it remains for me something to be told about the French model, its universalism has the borders of the roots of its basic culture greek/roman/catholic.

[Antonio the Sixth]

I put it in another thread but immediately realized it was totally off-topic. So :

BTW, guess which system Sarko wants to use for election of the newly-created "territorial councilors ? FPTP !
How democratic ! How fair ! How intelligent and elaborated ! See how this guy cares about the fact the people's opinion is represented ! But probably he doesn't even know who Condorcet, Hare or Sainte-Lagüe are.

FPTP=evil.

[Hash]

I put it in another thread but immediately realized it was totally off-topic. So :

BTW, guess which system Sarko wants to use for election of the newly-created "territorial councilors ? FPTP !
How democratic ! How fair ! How intelligent and elaborated ! See how this guy cares about the fact the people's opinion is represented ! But probably he doesn't even know who Condorcet, Hare or Sainte-Lagüe are.

FPTP=evil.

Old news, I highlighted that the day he proposed it. And the only reason he wants FPTP is because the UMP would win.

I don't know if I posted my rant of the 'territorial reform' bullsh**t on here of I posted it on a French forum. Eh.

[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

I put it in another thread but immediately realized it was totally off-topic. So :

BTW, guess which system Sarko wants to use for election of the newly-created "territorial councilors ? FPTP !
How democratic ! How fair ! How intelligent and elaborated ! See how this guy cares about the fact the people's opinion is represented ! But probably he doesn't even know who Condorcet, Hare or Sainte-Lagüe are.

FPTP=evil.

Old news, I highlighted that the day he proposed it. And the only reason he wants FPTP is because the UMP would win.

I don't know if I posted my rant of the 'territorial reform' bullsh**t on here of I posted it on a French forum. Eh.

Nah nah, you did here. Antonio sometimes comes after the battle.

[Antonio the Sixth]

I put it in another thread but immediately realized it was totally off-topic. So :

BTW, guess which system Sarko wants to use for election of the newly-created "territorial councilors ? FPTP !
How democratic ! How fair ! How intelligent and elaborated ! See how this guy cares about the fact the people's opinion is represented ! But probably he doesn't even know who Condorcet, Hare or Sainte-Lagüe are.

FPTP=evil.

Old news, I highlighted that the day he proposed it. And the only reason he wants FPTP is because the UMP would win.

I don't know if I posted my rant of the 'territorial reform' bullsh**t on here of I posted it on a French forum. Eh.

Nah nah, you did here. Antonio sometimes comes after the battle.

True. I probably just wasn't around there when you posted this.

However, insisting isn't bad : FPTP=evil and undemocratic.

[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

I put it in another thread but immediately realized it was totally off-topic. So :

BTW, guess which system Sarko wants to use for election of the newly-created "territorial councilors ? FPTP !
How democratic ! How fair ! How intelligent and elaborated ! See how this guy cares about the fact the people's opinion is represented ! But probably he doesn't even know who Condorcet, Hare or Sainte-Lagüe are.

FPTP=evil.

Old news, I highlighted that the day he proposed it. And the only reason he wants FPTP is because the UMP would win.

I don't know if I posted my rant of the 'territorial reform' bullsh**t on here of I posted it on a French forum. Eh.

Nah nah, you did here. Antonio sometimes comes after the battle.

True. I probably just wasn't around there when you posted this.

However, insisting isn't bad : FPTP=evil and undemocratic.

Yep, and well, this is not the thread here, but if left is enough smart to well use it, it could be a working argument against UMP in the régionales.

[Antonio the Sixth]

I put it in another thread but immediately realized it was totally off-topic. So :

BTW, guess which system Sarko wants to use for election of the newly-created "territorial councilors ? FPTP !
How democratic ! How fair ! How intelligent and elaborated ! See how this guy cares about the fact the people's opinion is represented ! But probably he doesn't even know who Condorcet, Hare or Sainte-Lagüe are.

FPTP=evil.

Old news, I highlighted that the day he proposed it. And the only reason he wants FPTP is because the UMP would win.

I don't know if I posted my rant of the 'territorial reform' bullsh**t on here of I posted it on a French forum. Eh.

Nah nah, you did here. Antonio sometimes comes after the battle.

True. I probably just wasn't around there when you posted this.

However, insisting isn't bad : FPTP=evil and undemocratic.

Yep, and well, this is not the thread here, but if left is enough smart to well use it, it could be a working argument against UMP in the régionales.

Guess what : they won't be smart enough !
...

[Хahar 🤔]

Guess who liked FPTP!

Michel Debré!

The funny thing is that the FN represents the legacy of Tixier-Vignancour more than anything else.

[MaxQue]

I put it in another thread but immediately realized it was totally off-topic. So :

BTW, guess which system Sarko wants to use for election of the newly-created "territorial councilors ? FPTP !
How democratic ! How fair ! How intelligent and elaborated ! See how this guy cares about the fact the people's opinion is represented ! But probably he doesn't even know who Condorcet, Hare or Sainte-Lagüe are.

FPTP=evil.

Old news, I highlighted that the day he proposed it. And the only reason he wants FPTP is because the UMP would win.

I don't know if I posted my rant of the 'territorial reform' bullsh**t on here of I posted it on a French forum. Eh.

Nah nah, you did here. Antonio sometimes comes after the battle.

True. I probably just wasn't around there when you posted this.

However, insisting isn't bad : FPTP=evil and undemocratic.

Yep, and well, this is not the thread here, but if left is enough smart to well use it, it could be a working argument against UMP in the régionales.

Guess what : they won't be smart enough !
...

For now, left doesn't even need to use arguments against UMP, since UMP is damaging itself.

Régionales are really looking good for the left. In 2004, I would have said than the left would lose more than half of the regions than they won in the 2004 elections in the 2010 elections.

[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

Nah, I really think these elections could be pretty mixed, interrogation marks on Greens, and this mainly because of abstention and a slight growing of FN maybe.  It will certainly more easy to see clear after the new year. Though, there is a more dedicated thread to develop about all of that.

Hey Antonio, are you in MJS btw? You could give them the idea...

[Hash]

By-elections (and Euros!) have shown the UMP is in sh**t, in some cases its worse than 2004: in 2004, the UMP had the UDF which was semi-reliable but now those right-leaning UDF voters are NC/UMP and MoDem voters lean left overall (but may be a small reserve). More importantly, the FN is now blue-collar protest voters who will vote for the opposition in a runoff between government and opposition. Not many traditionally conservative voters in rural areas which leant to the right in runoffs left...

Anyway, please take discussion of regionals to the specific thread!

[big bad fab]

http://www.lefigaro.fr/politique/2009/12/01/01002-20091201ARTFIG00480-nouvelle-querelle-centriste-autour-du-sigle-de-l-udf-.php

I'm eager to see a big judicial fight between NC and Bayrou !
Bayrou is a chewing-gum:
1) you can't get rid of him, even if he has become without any taste
2) he remains small through the time, whil getting many, many, many different shapes
3) he is able to extend from one point to another very far away point.

I hope NC will fight until the end, because this is how politics work !

And please don't be ironic on this, because it relates to real political issues. (yes!)

[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

http://www.lefigaro.fr/politique/2009/12/01/01002-20091201ARTFIG00480-nouvelle-querelle-centriste-autour-du-sigle-de-l-udf-.php

I'm eager to see a big judicial fight between NC and Bayrou !
Bayrou is a chewing-gum:
1) you can't get rid of him, even if he has become without any taste
2) he remains small through the time, whil getting many, many, many different shapes
3) he is able to extend from one point to another very far away point.

I hope NC will fight until the end, because this is how politics work !

And please don't be ironic on this, because it relates to real political issues. (yes!)

Oh, about Bayrou, i didn't want to come on it now, but as it comes...

I think that his only ever chance to make something now would be if something happens with Iran. His only chance, if ever he has to have still one.

His spot was 2007.

[Hash]

I will have much more tolerance for François Bayrou and the MoDem when they drop their obviously fake centrist shtick and are honest about their political position on the centre-left.

The UDF is the 'son' of the MRP and the French Christian democratic-liberal tradition, a tradition which is clearly noy represented by the MoDem.