Cold War Survivor: Soviet &"sister" party leaders: IMRE NAGY is the SURVIVOR !

[Hans-im-Glück]

Leonid Brezhnev

He was the man of the stagnation.

Zastoi, yes, but wasn't a Stalinist like Dimitrov worse, or even ... Khrushchev, as he took part actively in Stalin's repression ?

@ fab
Yes there gives worse leaders like Brezhnev, but he had a long time the power to make something good. What he did? Nothing. No he begin a war in Afghanistan.

[big bad fab]

Leonid Brezhnev

He was the man of the stagnation.

Zastoi, yes, but wasn't a Stalinist like Dimitrov worse, or even ... Khrushchev, as he took part actively in Stalin's repression ?

@ fab
Yes there gives worse leaders like Brezhnev, but he had a long time the power to make something good. What he did? Nothing. No he begin a war in Afghanistan.

You're right, I just wanted to discuss...
He was a stupid and frightened guy, corrupt and hypocritical. He began his career under Stalin. He promoted dumb asses (Chernenko, Tikhonov, Grishin, Kunaev, Rashidov, etc). He was (collectively) responsible for Prague 1968 and Kabul 1979.
His only positive gestures were not to have killed Sakharov, Soljenitsyn (but he simply couldn't afford it...since the Soviet Union was already weakened) and Khrushchev (but I think he was afraid to be killed himself if he were ousted... and Shelepin was still around at this time, 1964...).

[Associate Justice PiT]

     Dimitrov

[big bad fab]

Another tie: Dimitrov-Brezhnev.
Fine !
But please vote...

[Хahar 🤔]

Leonid Brezhnev

He was the man of the stagnation.

Zastoi, yes, but wasn't a Stalinist like Dimitrov worse, or even ... Khrushchev, as he took part actively in Stalin's repression ?

@ fab
Yes there gives worse leaders like Brezhnev, but he had a long time the power to make something good. What he did? Nothing. No he begin a war in Afghanistan.

You're right, I just wanted to discuss...
He was a stupid and frightened guy, corrupt and hypocritical. He began his career under Stalin. He promoted dumb asses (Chernenko, Tikhonov, Grishin, Kunaev, Rashidov, etc). He was (collectively) responsible for Prague 1968 and Kabul 1979.
His only positive gestures were not to have killed Sakharov, Soljenitsyn (but he simply couldn't afford it...since the Soviet Union was already weakened) and Khrushchev (but I think he was afraid to be killed himself if he were ousted... and Shelepin was still around at this time, 1964...).

That's really a testament to Khrushchev more than anything else. His system made political killings largely unfeasible.

Dimitrov; young Brezhnev wasn't worthless like his older version.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Leonid Brezhnev.

Did a lot worse than some minor figure.

[GMantis]

Georgi Dimitrov
Yes, he played a positive role by standing up against the Nazis during his trial. But after that? He didn't help his co-defendants from the Leipzig trial when they became a victim of Stalin's paranoia. As head of the Comintern he did nothing but justify Stalin's bizarre foreign policy turns in grand words. Finally, when he returned to Bulgaria, a caricature of his former self, he might as well have been a robot, considering the way he implemented Stalin's will. His only streak of independence was ironically in the service of an even more anti-Bulgarian cause: the attempted annexation of Bulgaria to Tito's Yugoslavia and the forced Macedonization of part of Bulgaria's population. It's the last two that can't be forgiven and why he must go as soon as possible.

[big bad fab]

Dimitrov is out, after a tight race with Brezhnev.

ROUND FOURTEEN IS OPEN
Vote away !
(remaining leaders and results in opening post)

I vote for Ramiz Alia.

Of course, in the end, he led Albania towards a "democratic" regime, but he first wanted to save his own *ss....
He was a loyal Hoxhist all around. He was so loyal that he didn't show too much behind him: a discrete evil....
He was a very lucky guy, as Hoxha died just after Gorbachev's rise to nr.1 post. He was able to appear as a modernizer, sort of....

[Хahar 🤔]

Chernenko

Brezhnev × 100. Even if he didn't do anything, he doesn't deserve to stay on.

[big bad fab]

Chernenko

Brezhnev × 100. Even if he didn't do anything, he doesn't deserve to stay on.

I've hesitated a bit between Alia, Honecker and... Chernenko.
Indeed, Chernenko was a dumb *ss, a stupid and brutal zero.

[GMantis]

Leonid Brezhnev
He did more damage.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Brezhnev

[Edu]

Brezhnev

[Associate Justice PiT]

     Chernenko

[Hans-im-Glück]

Leonid Brezhnev

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Egon Krenz

Little significance, crappy politician, leader at very end: why should he stay?

[big bad fab]

Egon Krenz

Little significance, crappy politician, leader at very end: why should he stay?

Because he didn't stop the East German popular movement ?

Because it's more difficult to weigh the (very tiny) part of good in him than in others ?

But it's fine to have "open" rounds like this one

[Hans-im-Glück]

Egon Krenz

Little significance, crappy politician, leader at very end: why should he stay?

Because he didn't stop the East German popular movement ?

Because it's more difficult to weigh the (very tiny) part of good in him than in others ?

But it's fine to have "open" rounds like this one

Egon Krenz was totally incompetent. He was more a parody about a communist/socialist leader. Fab you can say that he wasn't so worse, because he make no war against the opposition. The truth is that when he come in power East Germany was dead and he cannot reanimate a dead country. I'm not sure he had the power to send the military on the street. Would they break down the Civil Forum and the opposition. The implosion of SED was started and he comes only with the old speeches (like Honecker). Nobody wanted to hear it. This man had no control over East Germany. The only good thing was, this incompetence save many people the life.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Krenz because to remove all short-termers (the same reason for peoples like Chernenko) and focus then on biggies

[Hash]

Leonid Brezhnev

[big bad fab]

Brezhnev is out, with a quite big majority.

ROUND FIFTEEN IS OPEN
Vote away !
(remaining leaders and results in opening post)

I vote for Chernenko,
the most loyal Brezhnevian !

[Хahar 🤔]

Chernenko

[k-onmmunist]

Chernenko.

[GMantis]

Konstantin Chernenko

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Chernenko

Out of reality, past-living, unintelligent man and a very short-termer. While Andropov was really smart, he was just a pathetic