8th Circuit Court of Appeals rules against Planned Parenthood

[Person Man]

You know this is just going to lead to more back alley abortions, right?

Some people want go back to those dark days where some women would die in those back alleys or have serious medical complications...

The whole "back alley" line is like saying we should legalize rape because then it would occur out in the open where the public would eventually intervene, rather than making it illegal so it is done in more concealed places. The problem with this line of argument is that it assumes that the action performed (abortion, rape, etc.) is inherently good or at least unavoidable. I don't believe that abortion is good or unavoidable (in a situation where it is illegal, I believe that everyone is capable of following the law), and the harder it is to get an abortion, the less abortions occur. While I get those who are really adamant will go to the back alley, those who are on the fence, or those who want an abortion but don't feel they want it enough to go through walls of steel (so to speak) to get it, will likely forgo the abortion if their local abortion center closes, and that is where unborn lives are saved.

The actual statistics are against you.  When you make PP and safe abortions less available,  unwanted pregnancies and thus abortions go up, not down.   

You're living in a fantasy land if you think you can ever completely get rid of abortion altogether, it's not ever ever ever ever happening.   

And making a parallel from rape to abortion is completely disgusting.

Unwanted pregnancies do not automatically lead to abortions, and you are assuming that abortion for convenience reasons is unavoidable, which again, I do not believe. I believe we can create a society where no one gets an abortion, aside from the usual exceptions for rape, incest, and life of the mother, and I believe legislation is an effective vehicle to achieve that. I will also point out that the stats you refer to don't perfectly apply because we have not operated under a "total ban with exceptions" system in any state since 1973.  Furthermore, you are assuming that someone will find a way to get an abortion regardless of its legality, and I honestly think this shtick that the democrats have cooked up that all women with unwanted pregnancies are so adamant about terminating them that they are incapable of following the law is honestly pretty insulting to women, as it suggests they have no regard for the basic framework of society.

And it's only disgusting to draw the parallel I did if you see abortion as a moral action, which I obviously don't.

Has anyone actually done any research to whether most people will be like "What! That's Illegal!" when it comes to this sort of thing? And with you suggesting that you are OK with abortion after rape, people will just think its a law like banning Meth or Heroin and not some law that goes without saying.

I get it. You really care about social justice but whose solutiin is just to put everyone in jail? And ok. Instead of insisting it won't work, can you prove it can?

[Person Man]

We have dozens of laws on the books that are as hard, if not harder, to enforce than an abortion ban would be. There are other first world countries with such bans.

Name one.

[Person Man]

We have dozens of laws on the books that are as hard, if not harder, to enforce than an abortion ban would be. There are other first world countries with such bans.

Name one.

South Korea, Japan, Chile, Finland, United Kingdom, Poland and Parts of Australia

IThat is a broad definition of "illegal". In almost all those examples, its an administrative issue, not a criminal one. "Pro-Voice" than pro life or choice. I think in Poland you have to prove a particular dire need and there are no abortions in Chile (I heard almost every girl in jail is on jail for that there), but in the rest you just have to prove a substantial or demonstrable need to a second doctor or hospital that you need one. I think that would be a good post-Roe compromise.

I mean a law. Name one law that causes more problems.

[Person Man]

We have dozens of laws on the books that are as hard, if not harder, to enforce than an abortion ban would be. There are other first world countries with such bans.

Name one.

Malta

That wasn't the question..

[Person Man]

I hope Arkansas likes more abortions!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cIgSTjzrmRg

[Person Man]

We have dozens of laws on the books that are as hard, if not harder, to enforce than an abortion ban would be. There are other first world countries with such bans.

Name one.

South Korea, Japan, Chile, Finland, United Kingdom, Poland and Parts of Australia

IThat is a broad definition of "illegal". In almost all those examples, its an administrative issue, not a criminal one. "Pro-Voice" than pro life or choice. I think in Poland you have to prove a particular dire need and there are no abortions in Chile (I heard almost every girl in jail is on jail for that there), but in the rest you just have to prove a substantial or demonstrable need to a second doctor or hospital that you need one. I think that would be a good post-Roe compromise.

I mean a law. Name one law that causes more problems.

Rape is probably a good example these days, as are the drinking age and drug prohibition. Simple things like tax evasion of purchases on the internet are almost certainly harder to enforce as well. I fail to see why abortion laws are supposedly uniquely unenforceable.

How's pot prohibition working out?
Anyways, with abortion, you have to prove the "victim" actually existed in the first place. In many third world countries, a lot of the time, they just get around it by saying they were having "regularity" problems.