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« Reply #150 on: June 21, 2018, 03:15:40 PM »

Speaking of terrible debate performance from NYC incumbents:


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« Reply #151 on: June 21, 2018, 03:23:08 PM »

Seriously hope Clarke loses.
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« Reply #152 on: June 21, 2018, 03:24:29 PM »

Speaking of terrible debate performance from NYC incumbents:




LOL she literally did the "I'm not mad, I'm actually laughing" meme unironically
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« Reply #153 on: June 21, 2018, 03:31:13 PM »

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Crowley paid Global Strategy Group $22,000 for polling in mid-May but he never released the results.

Maybe an Ocsaio upset is not so farfetched...
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« Reply #154 on: June 21, 2018, 04:33:03 PM »

Speaking of terrible debate performance from NYC incumbents:




Clarke wiped the floor with that some dude.
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« Reply #155 on: June 21, 2018, 05:40:39 PM »

Speaking of terrible debate performance from NYC incumbents:




Clarke wiped the floor with that some dude.
You need to stop, people are going to get confused like I did with the Crowley/Ocasio-Cortez debate.
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« Reply #156 on: June 21, 2018, 05:43:30 PM »

Speaking of terrible debate performance from NYC incumbents:




Clarke wiped the floor with that some dude.
You need to stop, people are going to get confused like I did with the Crowley/Ocasio-Cortez debate.

I wasn’t joking this time.  Clarke won that exchange and it wasn’t even close.
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« Reply #157 on: June 21, 2018, 05:44:56 PM »

Speaking of terrible debate performance from NYC incumbents:




Clarke wiped the floor with that some dude.
You need to stop, people are going to get confused like I did with the Crowley/Ocasio-Cortez debate.

I wasn’t joking this time.  Clarke won that exchange and it wasn’t even close.
She really did not. She came off as rude and dismissive.
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« Reply #158 on: June 21, 2018, 05:55:38 PM »

Crowley wins: Progressives FAIL to unseat establishment Machine Boss in NY, lack of Democratic energy ensures Red Wave

Ocasio-Cortez wins: Progressives EATING DEMOCRATIC PARTY ALIVE, defeat respected House leader, Democrats move to far left, Red Wave ensured
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« Reply #159 on: June 21, 2018, 07:08:24 PM »

Speaking of terrible debate performance from NYC incumbents:




Clarke wiped the floor with that some dude.
You need to stop, people are going to get confused like I did with the Crowley/Ocasio-Cortez debate.

I wasn’t joking this time.  Clarke won that exchange and it wasn’t even close.
She really did not. She came off as rude and dismissive.

Yeah she came off as dismissive, but her points seemed valid. I honestly think she won that exchange.
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« Reply #160 on: June 21, 2018, 07:09:44 PM »

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Crowley paid Global Strategy Group $22,000 for polling in mid-May but he never released the results.

Maybe an Ocsaio upset is not so farfetched...

Its a waste of time to poll these NYC districts because so very little people vote here. Hakeem Jeffries represents 716k constitutents but won his primary with a grand total of 28k votes vs 11k for his opponent.

Crowley could very well lose but it'd be impossible to forecast it with polling
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« Reply #161 on: June 21, 2018, 07:13:17 PM »

Speaking of terrible debate performance from NYC incumbents:




Clarke wiped the floor with that some dude.
You need to stop, people are going to get confused like I did with the Crowley/Ocasio-Cortez debate.

I wasn’t joking this time.  Clarke won that exchange and it wasn’t even close.
She really did not. She came off as rude and dismissive.

Yeah she came off as dismissive, but her points seemed valid. I honestly think she won that exchange.

Agreed.  Also, the challenger guy seemed kinda smug, tbh. 
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« Reply #162 on: June 21, 2018, 07:15:40 PM »

Speaking of terrible debate performance from NYC incumbents:




Clarke whooped him like a schoolboy.
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« Reply #163 on: June 21, 2018, 07:16:44 PM »

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« Reply #164 on: June 21, 2018, 07:29:22 PM »

All the mailers that Crowley has sent out to Ocasio-Cortez’s address, lol.

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« Reply #165 on: June 21, 2018, 08:59:32 PM »

Joe Crowley is a House lifer.

He is a Democratic Party boss, like George Norcross, Bob Brady, Mike Madigan, etc. Northeastern-Midwestern big city-suburban Irish white ethnic politicians are hard to defeat.
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« Reply #166 on: June 21, 2018, 09:06:02 PM »

I've always found it interesting how machine politics tends to be very big in minority districts like NY-14 and IL-03, even when the machine's politicians usually (though not always) are white.

Anybody know why this is?
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« Reply #167 on: June 22, 2018, 01:08:06 AM »

I've always found it interesting how machine politics tends to be very big in minority districts like NY-14 and IL-03, even when the machine's politicians usually (though not always) are white.

Anybody know why this is?

Just simply those that are powerful who knows how to manipulate those that are a lot less powerful. Keep in mind that this kind of stuff has been going on since the Gilded Age and history finds a way to repeat itself over and over again in spite of the efforts to fight against it.
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« Reply #168 on: June 23, 2018, 12:49:50 AM »

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« Reply #169 on: June 23, 2018, 06:20:44 AM »

Kinda pointless for a group dedicated to organizing and mobilizing to endorse a candidate 4 days before the election.
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« Reply #170 on: June 23, 2018, 10:11:15 AM »

All the mailers that Crowley has sent out to Ocasio-Cortez’s address, lol.



Makes sense. Though that is a lot of primary mail.
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« Reply #171 on: June 23, 2018, 02:21:34 PM »

All the mailers that Crowley has sent out to Ocasio-Cortez’s address, lol.



Makes sense. Though that is a lot of primary mail.

Primaries in safe seats like this are effectively the general election, so it makes sense to burn most of  your cash now. I'm currently working for some campaigns in Montgomery county MD, this is basically what they are doing as well.
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« Reply #172 on: June 23, 2018, 02:58:41 PM »

Whatever happens, I expect Crowley will face additional challenges in future cycles.

His days in Congress are numbered and I don’t think he will be a future Aden speaker.

Rooting for Ocasio-Cortez here.
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« Reply #173 on: June 25, 2018, 05:40:48 AM »

Cynthia Nixon and Ocasio are endorsing each other today
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« Reply #174 on: June 25, 2018, 08:11:21 AM »
« Edited: June 25, 2018, 08:15:40 AM by sjoyce »

I've always found it interesting how machine politics tends to be very big in minority districts like NY-14 and IL-03, even when the machine's politicians usually (though not always) are white.

Anybody know why this is?

Districts often changed around the machines (sometimes around the specific incumbents). Ed Burke was elected as Alderman of Chicago's 14th Ward when it was mostly an Irish Catholic area and has simply stayed in power as the neighborhoods changed. The strategies to maintaining power aren't much different, though it does create some vulnerabilities that weren't present before; Burke's brother lost his (heavily Latino) State House seat this year to a 26-year-old CPS counselor and soccer coach, Aarón Ortíz, who successfully painted Burke as oit of touch with the majority of the district's residents. Ocasio-Cortez is attempting to exploit the same opening.
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