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Simfan34
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« on: June 23, 2015, 09:59:54 AM »

Okay. Let's settle this. Every anti gun person here besides ag who is paranoid. What do you propose we do in terms of gun laws? At this point we are arguing in circles.

Off the top of my head.

Close the loopholes to make sure all non-antique guns are purchased with a background check.

Gun-buyback programs in inner-cities

Create new penalties and regulations on straw purchases.

Civil Liability for straw purchasers and/or improperly selling a gun used in a crime.

An excise tax on firearms to pay for gun-buybacks, community policing and other crime prevention programs.

Repeal DC v. Heller

All excellent proposals, though I don't know how you can repeal a court ruling.
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Simfan34
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« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2015, 11:11:19 AM »

I think you got the point Simfan.  Reverse it then.

Hopefully they will. But the rest are immediately doable and should be done.
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Simfan34
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« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2015, 11:26:05 AM »

Okay. Let's settle this. Every anti gun person here besides ag who is paranoid. What do you propose we do in terms of gun laws? At this point we are arguing in circles.

Off the top of my head.

Close the loopholes to make sure all non-antique guns are purchased with a background check.

Gun-buyback programs in inner-cities

Create new penalties and regulations on straw purchases.

Civil Liability for straw purchasers and/or improperly selling a gun used in a crime.

An excise tax on firearms to pay for gun-buybacks, community policing and other crime prevention programs.

Repeal DC v. Heller

All excellent proposals, though I don't know how you can repeal a court ruling.

I don't think the ruling that gun ownership is an individual right proscribes any of the above regulations and procedures.

Neither do I. I wasn't assuming these were reliant on that.
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Simfan34
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« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2015, 11:29:51 AM »

Why should gun buyback programs be limited to inner cities?  For that matter, is there any evidence that they do anything other than give burglars a way to safely fence stolen guns?

I'd support them universally. What does the bolded mean?
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Simfan34
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« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2015, 07:50:57 AM »

In closing, I propose two questions.  To restate my original question, do you believe government should have a monopoly on the use of force especially deadly force? And in the nature of compromise, accept the same regulations on voting that you would on gun ownership?

Yes, because the government not having that monopoly is the literal definition of state failure.
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