Once more, gun control opponents...

[Torie]

Anyone come up with a sensible plan in this thread to make it more difficult for psychotics to get their grubby little hands on guns?

Reasonable regulations on gun ownership and possession for reasons of public safety are indeed totally Constitutional by the way.

[Torie]

Okay. Let's settle this. Every anti gun person here besides ag who is paranoid. What do you propose we do in terms of gun laws? At this point we are arguing in circles.

Off the top of my head.

Close the loopholes to make sure all non-antique guns are purchased with a background check.

Gun-buyback programs in inner-cities

Create new penalties and regulations on straw purchases.

Civil Liability for straw purchasers and/or improperly selling a gun used in a crime.

An excise tax on firearms to pay for gun-buybacks, community policing and other crime prevention programs.

Repeal DC v. Heller

All excellent proposals, though I don't know how you can repeal a court ruling.

I don't think the ruling that gun ownership is an individual right proscribes any of the above regulations and procedures.

[Torie]

Anyone come up with a sensible plan in this thread to make it more difficult for psychotics to get their grubby little hands on guns?

Reasonable regulations on gun ownership and possession for reasons of public safety are indeed totally Constitutional by the way.

Why does the left never want to talk about mental illness and the common denominator of most mass shooters being medicated?

You have made two assertions there, both almost certainly erroneous. If one is going to make edgy assertions, that seem facially false, it's only reasonable to expect documentation backing up such assertions. Don't you agree?

[Torie]

Probably a combination of cultural and legal factors. Basically, the U.S. culture is more violent in general and the U.S. government criminalizes a broader range of activity, which increases violence (gun-related and otherwise) for obvious reasons. The solution is just to give people more freedom. Fewer laws, less crime, less violence.

Here's a question for Atlas hoplophobes, if guns are the cause of relatively high U.S. violent crime rates, why is there no correlation whatsoever between the two:



Furthermore, when other Western industrialized nations tightened their gun control policies, crime in those nations went up, which suggests that the reason those nations have lower gun crime rates than the United States has nothing to do with gun control, and than gun control itself is completely ineffective at reducing crime.

But, none of these facts really matter to the people who truly drive the power-agendas of the world. They want everyone to rely on the State for protection so that they can be easily controlled and won't object to crap like police militarization and various police-state measures. It starts in kindergarten when they indoctrinate kids into the pussy mentality of "don't fight back, tell a teacher." They want you to be absolutely reliant on authority and unable to defend yourself or anyone else.

You are using that chart to assert a causative effect between a higher incidence of gun ownership and a decline in crime. First the decline might be due to other factors, and at least a substantial part of it is due to other factors, e.g., abortions (yes abortions), more effective policing, demographic factors, including lower birth rate, etc. Second, as I think someone else noted somewhere, the higher incidence of guns may be more due to some households having more guns, as opposed to more households having guns, and in fact the percentage households having guns has I think declined. Of more interest, to the extent valid at all, was that John Lott study that found lower crime in the high gun owning part of the Cincinnati metro area in Kentucky, versus the less high gun owning part of the Cincinnati metro area in Ohio, corrected for demographics. That is one of his most famous studies, if not the most famous.