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Barnes
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« on: July 02, 2009, 01:33:26 PM »

A lot of people seem to die in your timelines Historico.

LOL, I know right...It reall just depends if I want to keep the 20 year curse going or not, or if they died of natural causes in OTL. Btw, here is my newest Presidential list based on the POD that Progressive Judge Learned Hand of New York was nominated by the Republican Party at the deadlocked convention of 1930.

The Visible Hand:

28. Woodrow Wilson (D-NJ):  March 4th 1913-March 4th 1921
29. B. Learned Hand (R-NY): March 4th 1921-March 4th 1929
30. Charles Curtis (R-KA): March 4th 1929-March 4th 1933

31. Huey P. Long (D-LA): March 4th 1933-September 10th 1935*
32. Robert F. Wagner (D-NY): September 10th 1935-January 20th 1945

33. Arthur H. Vandenberg (R-MI) January 20th 1945-April 18th 1951*
34. Phillip F. Lafollette (R-WI): April 18th 1951-January 20th 1953

35. Adlai E. Stevenson II (D-IL): January 20th 1953-January 20th 1961
36. Christian A. Herter (R-MA): January 20th 1961-January 20th 1965
37. Thruston B. Morton (R-KY): January 20th 1965-January 20th 1969

38. Russell B. Long (D-LA): January 20th 1969-January 20th 1977
39. Edward W. Brooke III (R-MA): January 20th 1977-January 20th 1981*
40. Edmund G. “Jerry” Brown Jr. (D-CA): January 20th 1981-January 20th 1989
41. Fred Harris (D-OK): January 20th 1989-January 20th 1993

42. John M. “Mike” Hayden (R-KA): January 20th 1993-January 20th 2001
43. Henry G. Cisneros (D-TX): January 20th 2001-January 19th 2007**
44. William W. “Bill” Bradley (D-NJ): January 19th 2007-January 20th 2009

45. Lincoln D. Chafee (R-RI): January 20th 2009-???

Notes.

31. Assassinated by Carl Austin Weiss in Baton Rouge, Louisiana.
33. Died in office due to complications of Cancer
39. First African American President.
43. First Hispanic American President, and first to resign due to obstruction of justice.


Formidable list. I love alternate realities where conservatives don't pollute american politics... Smiley

Who was Chafee's opponent?
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Barnes
Roy Barnes 2010
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« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2009, 10:06:41 PM »

41st: George H. W. Bush (TX)/J. Danforth Quayle (IN), January 20, 1989 - January 20, 1993
42nd: Paul E. Tsongas (MA)/William J. Clinton (AR), January 20, 1993 - January 18, 1997
43rd: William J. Clinton (AR), January 18 - January 20, 1997 Tongue
44th: Jack F. Kemp (NY)/Thomas F. Kean (NJ), January 20, 1997 - January 20, 2001
45th: Albert A. Gore (TN)/D. Robert Graham (FL), January 20, 2001 - January 20, 2009
46th: John S. McCain (AZ)/Michael D. Huckabee (AR), January 20, 2009 - present

The two day President, I love it! Smiley
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Barnes
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« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2009, 03:51:20 PM »

38. Gerald R. Ford (R-MI) / Robert J. “Bob” Dole (R-KS): 1977-1985
39. Gary Hart (D-CO) / John Conyers (D-MI): 1985-1987*
40. John Conyers (D-MI) / Albert A. “Al” Gore (D-TN): 1987-1989**

41. Pete B. Wilson (R-CA) / Paul S. Trible (R-VA): 1989-1997
42. William J. “Bill” Clinton (D-AR) / Zell B. Miller (D-GA): 1997-2001
43. Jon L. Kyl (R-AZ) / Richard J. Santorum (R-PA): 2001-2009
44. Barack H. Obama (D-IL) / John F. Kerry (D-MA): 2009-?

38: Assuming the Oval Office in wake of Nixon's resignation, President Ford ran for re-election in 1976, barely defeating his Democrat opponent, Georgia Governor Jimmy Carter. During Ford's administration, the US combated communist-influenced militias in Latin America and was able to install several pro-democracy governments in the small Latin nations. By 1980, however, inflation was on the rise and there were heavy fuel shortages. In the Middle East, hostages were taken at the American embassy in Iran, but a daring and controversial military operation, ordered by Ford, proved successful. Ford also implemented a series of tax-cuts, which aided the economy from sliding over the edge. Ford narrowly won re-election in 1980, mainly due to the fact that the Democrats had offered up a weak opponent. By  the 1984 election, despite a declining Soviet Union and a somewhat improved economy, Americans were ready for a Democrat White House.

39: Gary Hart had brought John Conyers of Michigan to the ticket, making the ticket the first one to include an African-American. History was made in November of 1984 when the Hart/Conyers ticket defeated the Dole/Lott ticket. The first year of Hart's presidency very much resembled the final year of Ford's presidency: Hart focused on fixing the economy and continuing relations with a declining Soviet Union. Hart was heavily criticized by several members of his own party for not eliminating some of the tax-cuts set up by Ford. Hart set up several government programs for Americans, including a bill that funded abortion-awareness centers and clinics across the country. Hart also prepared for funding a 'War on Drugs,' but the unthinkable happened in February of 1987, when President Hart died of a stroke.

40: John Conyers assumed the Oval Office in February of 1987 as the first African-American President. In the wake of President Hart's death, President Conyers repealed all of Ford's tax-cuts and declared a 'War on Drugs.' Conyers believed that guns and drugs went hand-in-hand and, as a result, also attempted to pass several strict gun possession laws, most of which failed, however, due to a Republican majority in Congress. As President, Conyers also continued talks with the Soviet Union. Conyers chose Gore as his running mate in the '88 election, but faced a heavily-fueled Pete Wilson campaign. Despite his success abroad, Conyers was defeated on the basis of his domestic issues by the Wilson/Trible ticket.

41: The beginning of the Wilson presidency was marked by the fall of the Berlin Wall and the disintegration of the Soviet Union. Back in the United States, Wilson had the duty of eliminating a large deficit (though not as large as OTL since the tax-cuts were phased out earlier on). Wilson cut government spending significantly as a result. Unemployment rose as the US entered a mild recession and Wilson was forced to implement several pro-worker pieces of legislation. The United States also participated in the Gulf War, in which US troops were deployed to the Middle East in an effort to defend Kuwait from an invading Iraq. The mission proved to be incredibly victorious and the success of the operation led Wilson to win re-election in 1992. By the beginning of his second term, Wilson faced increasing pressure from Democrats to implement a healthcare plan, but Wilson turned down all the requests, siting the plan as 'ridiculous.' The second term of Wilson was much less exciting than the first, but saw strong intervention in Somalia (more successful than in OTL) and the eventual recovery of the economy. Wilson's VP, Paul Trible, was viewed as somewhat inexperienced when matched up against Democratic challenger Bill Clinton in 1996, as was defeated by the bizarre Clinton/Miller ticket.

42: Nobody was really sure what to expect from the odd combination of Bill Clinton and Zell Miller. As President, Clinton mostly focused on issues abroad, such as the invasion of Kosovo, attacks of the U.S.S. Cole by Osama bin Laden, and the possibility of a nuclear Iraq. Vice President Miller was often accused of being much more conservative than liberal and, as a result, seemed to hinder the Clinton/Miller ticket in 2000. By September of 2000, it became increasingly obvious that the Democrats were not going to win in November, which proved true as the Clinton/Miller ticket was soundly defeated by the Republican Kyl/Santorum ticket.

43: President Kyl originally dealt with education reform, but was forced to throw all plans aside when the September 11th attacks happened. As a result, Kyl ordered the invasion of Afghanistan to destroy terrorist organizations such as the Taliban and Al-Qaeda. By early 2004, Afghanistan had largely proven to be successful and, with the exception of a few failed plots and a minor anthrax scare, there had not been any other terrorist attacks on U.S. soil. Kyl easily won re-election in 2004 over the Edwards/Clark ticket, but Kyl's second term was much less successful. The Gulf Coast was battered by Hurricane Katrina in 2005 and many Americans felt that Kyl had failed to respond quickly. Although Afghanistan was now secure and mostly rid of the Taliban and Al-Qaeda, Kyl's decision to invade Iraq in 2006 had proven to be disastrous. No weapons of mass destruction were found, nor was Osama bin Laden. Polls indicated that the approval of the War in Iraq was around 35-40%. Democrats made huge gains in the Senate and House in the 2006 elections, as well, and Kyl saw his approval ratings drop by as much as 20%. To make matters worse, the economy plunged into a recession in September of 2008. In November of 2008, the GOP lost the election to a strongly-favored Obama/Kerry ticket.

44: Barack Obama, a little-known Senator from Illinois, quickly emerged victorious in the Democrat Primaries (since Bill Clinton wasn't as popular in this TL, which meant neither was Hillary), and was elected as the nation's second African-American President in November 2008. As soon as he took office, Obama quickly focused on improving the economy, by passing a Stimulus Bill, and fixing operations in Iraq. Democrats hoped that Obama would win re-election in 2012, which would make him the first Democrat since LBJ to do so.

*Died of a stroke
**First African-American President

Ford couldn't have run in 1980 because of term limits.
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Barnes
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« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2009, 09:51:31 PM »

38. Gerald R. Ford (R-MI) / Robert J. “Bob” Dole (R-KS): 1977-1985
39. Gary Hart (D-CO) / John Conyers (D-MI): 1985-1987*
40. John Conyers (D-MI) / Albert A. “Al” Gore (D-TN): 1987-1989**

41. Pete B. Wilson (R-CA) / Paul S. Trible (R-VA): 1989-1997
42. William J. “Bill” Clinton (D-AR) / Zell B. Miller (D-GA): 1997-2001
43. Jon L. Kyl (R-AZ) / Richard J. Santorum (R-PA): 2001-2009
44. Barack H. Obama (D-IL) / John F. Kerry (D-MA): 2009-?

38: Assuming the Oval Office in wake of Nixon's resignation, President Ford ran for re-election in 1976, barely defeating his Democrat opponent, Georgia Governor Jimmy Carter. During Ford's administration, the US combated communist-influenced militias in Latin America and was able to install several pro-democracy governments in the small Latin nations. By 1980, however, inflation was on the rise and there were heavy fuel shortages. In the Middle East, hostages were taken at the American embassy in Iran, but a daring and controversial military operation, ordered by Ford, proved successful. Ford also implemented a series of tax-cuts, which aided the economy from sliding over the edge. Ford narrowly won re-election in 1980, mainly due to the fact that the Democrats had offered up a weak opponent. By  the 1984 election, despite a declining Soviet Union and a somewhat improved economy, Americans were ready for a Democrat White House.

39: Gary Hart had brought John Conyers of Michigan to the ticket, making the ticket the first one to include an African-American. History was made in November of 1984 when the Hart/Conyers ticket defeated the Dole/Lott ticket. The first year of Hart's presidency very much resembled the final year of Ford's presidency: Hart focused on fixing the economy and continuing relations with a declining Soviet Union. Hart was heavily criticized by several members of his own party for not eliminating some of the tax-cuts set up by Ford. Hart set up several government programs for Americans, including a bill that funded abortion-awareness centers and clinics across the country. Hart also prepared for funding a 'War on Drugs,' but the unthinkable happened in February of 1987, when President Hart died of a stroke.

40: John Conyers assumed the Oval Office in February of 1987 as the first African-American President. In the wake of President Hart's death, President Conyers repealed all of Ford's tax-cuts and declared a 'War on Drugs.' Conyers believed that guns and drugs went hand-in-hand and, as a result, also attempted to pass several strict gun possession laws, most of which failed, however, due to a Republican majority in Congress. As President, Conyers also continued talks with the Soviet Union. Conyers chose Gore as his running mate in the '88 election, but faced a heavily-fueled Pete Wilson campaign. Despite his success abroad, Conyers was defeated on the basis of his domestic issues by the Wilson/Trible ticket.

41: The beginning of the Wilson presidency was marked by the fall of the Berlin Wall and the disintegration of the Soviet Union. Back in the United States, Wilson had the duty of eliminating a large deficit (though not as large as OTL since the tax-cuts were phased out earlier on). Wilson cut government spending significantly as a result. Unemployment rose as the US entered a mild recession and Wilson was forced to implement several pro-worker pieces of legislation. The United States also participated in the Gulf War, in which US troops were deployed to the Middle East in an effort to defend Kuwait from an invading Iraq. The mission proved to be incredibly victorious and the success of the operation led Wilson to win re-election in 1992. By the beginning of his second term, Wilson faced increasing pressure from Democrats to implement a healthcare plan, but Wilson turned down all the requests, siting the plan as 'ridiculous.' The second term of Wilson was much less exciting than the first, but saw strong intervention in Somalia (more successful than in OTL) and the eventual recovery of the economy. Wilson's VP, Paul Trible, was viewed as somewhat inexperienced when matched up against Democratic challenger Bill Clinton in 1996, as was defeated by the bizarre Clinton/Miller ticket.

42: Nobody was really sure what to expect from the odd combination of Bill Clinton and Zell Miller. As President, Clinton mostly focused on issues abroad, such as the invasion of Kosovo, attacks of the U.S.S. Cole by Osama bin Laden, and the possibility of a nuclear Iraq. Vice President Miller was often accused of being much more conservative than liberal and, as a result, seemed to hinder the Clinton/Miller ticket in 2000. By September of 2000, it became increasingly obvious that the Democrats were not going to win in November, which proved true as the Clinton/Miller ticket was soundly defeated by the Republican Kyl/Santorum ticket.

43: President Kyl originally dealt with education reform, but was forced to throw all plans aside when the September 11th attacks happened. As a result, Kyl ordered the invasion of Afghanistan to destroy terrorist organizations such as the Taliban and Al-Qaeda. By early 2004, Afghanistan had largely proven to be successful and, with the exception of a few failed plots and a minor anthrax scare, there had not been any other terrorist attacks on U.S. soil. Kyl easily won re-election in 2004 over the Edwards/Clark ticket, but Kyl's second term was much less successful. The Gulf Coast was battered by Hurricane Katrina in 2005 and many Americans felt that Kyl had failed to respond quickly. Although Afghanistan was now secure and mostly rid of the Taliban and Al-Qaeda, Kyl's decision to invade Iraq in 2006 had proven to be disastrous. No weapons of mass destruction were found, nor was Osama bin Laden. Polls indicated that the approval of the War in Iraq was around 35-40%. Democrats made huge gains in the Senate and House in the 2006 elections, as well, and Kyl saw his approval ratings drop by as much as 20%. To make matters worse, the economy plunged into a recession in September of 2008. In November of 2008, the GOP lost the election to a strongly-favored Obama/Kerry ticket.

44: Barack Obama, a little-known Senator from Illinois, quickly emerged victorious in the Democrat Primaries (since Bill Clinton wasn't as popular in this TL, which meant neither was Hillary), and was elected as the nation's second African-American President in November 2008. As soon as he took office, Obama quickly focused on improving the economy, by passing a Stimulus Bill, and fixing operations in Iraq. Democrats hoped that Obama would win re-election in 2012, which would make him the first Democrat since LBJ to do so.

*Died of a stroke
**First African-American President

Ford couldn't have run in 1980 because of term limits.
Apparently, in his timeline, Watergate does not happen, and Ford wins the GOP nomination after serving as Nixon's VP, Nixon being term-limited.

Oh! Didn't see the 1977! Smiley
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Barnes
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« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2009, 07:39:56 PM »

LBJ: The Comeback Kid

36. Lyndon B. Johnson (D-TX): 1963-1971
37. Spiro Agnew (R-MD): 1971-1972
38. John Ashbrook (R-OH): 1972-1973

39. Hubert Humphrey (D-MN): 1973-1977
40. Richard Nixon (R-CA): 1977-1981
41. Edmund G. Brown (D-CA): 1981-1989
42. John Warner (R-VA): 1989-1997
43. Bob Kerrey (D-NE): 1997-2005
44. John McCain (R-AZ): 2005-2008
45. Joseph Lieberman (I-CT): 2008-2009
46. Albert Gore, Jr. (D-TN): 2009-Current

Notes:
36. After the Democratic National Convention was deadlocked after 7 ballots, President Johnson decided to travel to Chicago to address the delegates. In his speech, he declared that he was running for reelection. LBJ won the nomination on the 8th ballot and Vice President Humphrey was again his running mate. Although LBJ trailed Nixon for most of the campaign, he decided in October to use surge tactics on North Vietnam including dropping napalm bombs and Agent Orange on over 90 percent of the country. The Communist government collapsed and the South Vietnamese army marched in to take over and declare victory. On Election Day, Johnson and Nixon were tied 255-255 in the Electoral College. The House of Representatives elected Johnson President but in the Senate, a coalition of Republicans and southern Democrats elected Spiro Agnew Vice President.

37. The pressures of dealing with the aftermath of the Vietnam War, a Republican Congress elected in 1970, protests on college campuses, and communist revolutions in Laos and Cambodia took a tool on LBJ. On August 29, 1971, Johnson suffered a fatal hear attack while on vacation at his Texas ranch. Spiro Agnew was sworn in as the new President. His pick of Congressman John Ashbrook for Vice President pleased conservatives in the Republican Party. The honeymoon was short lived as the entire cabinet resigned with the exception of Treasury Secretary John Connally and HHS Secretary Daniel Patrick Moynihan. Next, reporters Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein broke the story that President Agnew received bribes from contractors dating back to his term as Maryland Governor and continuing while he was Vice President. After Governor Ronald Reagan (R-CA) won the New Hampshire primary, the calls increased for Agnew’s impeachment. On May 15, 1972, President Agnew campaigned in his home state when Arthur Bremer assassinated him outside a shopping center in Laurel, Maryland.

38. After John Ashbrook became President, Governor Reagan announced the end of his candidacy for President and endorsed Ashbrook. In return, Ashbrook offered the Vice Presidency to Reagan but he declined. Congress ultimately confirmed House Majority Leader John Rhodes of Arizona for Vice President. The Democrats nominated the ticket of Hubert Humphrey for President and Senator Frank Church of Idaho for Vice President. The race would be decided when the states of California and Illinois were called for Humphrey after midnight, and Humphrey was elected President. In 1975, Humphrey declared that he had inoperable cancer and did not seek reelection.

39. Former Vice President Nixon would be the comeback kid. In his third try, Nixon was elected President. His running mate, Senator John Tower of Texas became Vice President. Nixon’s accomplishments in foreign policy included a peace treaty between Egypt, Israel and Jordan, and the passage of the Panama Canal and SALT II treaties. On the domestic front, Nixon successfully pushed Congress to pass a health insurance plan that allowed the insurance companies to operate across state lines and provided for a public option. However, rising unemployment and inflation hurt Nixon. He was also criticized for allowing the deposed Shah of Iran into the U.S. for medical treatment leading to the taking of hostages at the US Embassy in Teheran. The bungling of a rescue attempt of the hostages resulted in the resignation of Secretary of Defense Henry “Scoop” Jackson. But what doomed Nixon’s reelection campaign in 1980 was his health. An attack of phlebitis forced Nixon off the campaign trail for most of the last two months. The drunken appearances of Vice President Tower also hurt. Governor Jerry Brown and his running mate Senator Ernest Hollings of South Carolina won a 45 state landslide.

40. As President, Jerry Brown would govern as a centrist by supporting public works projects and income tax cuts while vetoing wasteful spending. By the end of his presidency, the unemployment rate fell to 6 percent.

41. President Warner presided over the end of the Cold War and drove out the Iraqi army from Kuwait. Thanks to the economic reforms of the Brown administration, there was no recession until 1995. Vice President Richard Lugar proved to be an ineffective campaigner as the GOP Presidential nominee in 1996.

43. After the Democrats nominated Vice President Albert Gore in 2004, Senator McCain reached across the aisle and selected his colleague Joe Lieberman as his running mate. McCain was elected President after he was declared the winner in Florida and Ohio. In January 2008, President McCain suffered a fatal heart attack.

44. First Jewish President. Already kicked out of the Democratic Party after endorsing McCain in 2004, President Lieberman decided to run as an Independent. The GOP already decided he was not conservative enough. Senator George Allen won the Republican nomination for President but his gaffes hurt his campaign as well as the recession of 2008. Al Gore and his running mate Senator Barack Obama of Illinois won a landslide victory. Poor President Lieberman would only win Maine and a single electoral vote in Nebraska (5 total electoral votes).


Very good! Cheesy
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Barnes
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« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2010, 11:27:54 PM »

"Give 'em Hell Hubie!"

POD: Humphrey defeats Nixon

#37: Hubert H. Humphrey (D-MN) (1969-1973)
#38: Ronald W. Reagan (R-CA) (1973-1981)
#39: Richard S. Schweiker (R-PA) (1981-1985)
#40: Gary W. Hart (D-CO) (1985-1993)
#41: Peter B. Wilson (R-CA) (1993-2001)
#42: Albert A. Gore (D-TN) (2001)*
#43: John F. Kerry (D-MA) (2001-2009)
#44: John S. McCain (R-AZ) (2009-present)

* Killed when Flight 93 crashed into the White House on September 11th, 2001.



I don't see how a plane crashing into the White House would kill Gore, who would have been evacuated, the plane shot down, or at the very least he would have gone into the bunker.

I remember hearing on TV back when 9/11 happened, that the White House had been evacuated, and that the President was secure.  So Gore probably wouldn't have been killed.
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Barnes
Roy Barnes 2010
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« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2010, 01:47:17 AM »
« Edited: January 04, 2010, 02:02:27 AM by Barnes »

Presidents:

39. Jimmy Carter (D-GA) (1977-1981)
40. Beauregard D’Israeli (L-WY) (1981-1989)
41. John Peterson (R-VA) (1989-Present)

Vice Presidents:

42. Walter Mondale (D-MN) (1977-1981)
43. Ed Clark (L-CA) (1981-1985)
44. Ricardo Barnes (L-NV) (1985-1989)

45. Isaac James (R-KS) (1989-Present)

And the story has only just begun...
https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=105182.0
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Barnes
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« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2010, 03:34:20 PM »

Same across the Pond:  American Politics mirrors that of OTL UK

30. Calvin Coolidge (R-VT):  August 2nd 1923-March 4th 1929
31. Norman Thomas (S-NY): March 4th 1929-March 4th 1937***
32. William E. Borah (R-IH): March 4th 1937-May 10th 1940*
33. William F. “Frank” Knox (R-IL): May 10th 1940-January 20th 1941
34. Douglas MacArthur (R-AR): January 20th 1941-January 20th 1945

35. Henry A. Wallace (S-IA): January 20th 1945-November 1st 1950***
36. Joseph W. Martin (R-MA): November 1st 1950-January 20th 1953***
37. John W. Bricker (R-OH): January 20th 1953-January 20th 1961
38. Barry M. Goldwater (R-AZ): January 20th 1961- January 20th 1965

39. Frank P. Zeidler (S-WN): January 20th 1965-January 20th 1973
40. John V. Lindsay (R-NY): January 20th 1973-January 20th 1977
41. Morris K. “Mo” Udall (S-AZ): January 20th 1977-January 20th 1981***
42. Robert J. “Bob” Dole (R-KA): January 20th-March 30th 1981*
43. Phyllis Schlafly (R-IL): March 30th 1981-January 20th 1993***
44. Carroll A. Campbell (R-SC): January 20th 1993-January 20th 1997

45. Ronald V. “Ron” Dellums (S-CA): January 20th 1997-January 20th 2005***
46. Patrick J. Leahy (S-VT): January 20th 2005-January 20th 2009***

47. John Edwards (D-NC): January 20th 2009-???***

Notes

31. First Socialist Party President also marks the marginalization of the Democratic Party to the South.
32. Died in office due to a Cerebral Hemorrhage
35. First to resign the office of President, due to impending impeachment vote
36. First Speaker of the House to ascend to the Presidency
41. First Mormon President
42. Assassinated by John Chapman in New York City, New York
43. First Female President
45. First African American President
46. First Roman Catholic President
47. First Democratic President elected since Woodrow Wilson in 1916


This would make a great timeline! Grin
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