Should 14 and 15 year olds be able to get full driver's licenses?

[Yellowhammer]

15 is where I would draw the line, personally. 14 for permit, 15 for license.

[Cokeland Saxton]

16 at the minimum.

[Grassroots]

Please oh please no.

My younger peers can NOT be trusted with that kind of stuff.

[here2view]

To those who say "no", how else do you propose that 14 and 15 year olds travel?

Have parents/siblings drive them like it's been for decades?

[Continential]

To those who say "no", how else do you propose that 14 and 15 year olds travel?

Have parents/siblings drive them like it's been for decades?

Jobs and Older/Only Child.

[darklordoftech]

To those who say "no", how else do you propose that 14 and 15 year olds travel?

Have parents/siblings drive them like it's been for decades?

What if the parents and siblings aren't around or are controlling to an unhealthy degree? (my family forbade from having opposite-sex friends)

[JGibson]

A provisional license (such as to/from work, church, within a 40 mile radius during limited hours, or school), maybe. No way to a full license for a 14-15 year old.

[Former President tack50]

No. And in fact it shouldn't be allowed until you are 18. (maybe 17 for a practice license; or a small exception for small motorbikes)

To those who say "no", how else do you propose that 14 and 15 year olds travel?

1: By bus

2: Ask their parents to carry them around

3: Taking a taxi (only in special occasions, taxis are expensive after all)

4: Walking/Bike

As a 15-16 year old I don't remember having much trouble with transportation or any need for a car.   The bus was all I needed tbh. Even in a rural area, how often do you actually need to leave town? (which since it's a rural area, it will be a small walkable town I assume). For school there will be a bus.

[RINO Tom]

Non. If anything the driving age should be around 20 or so.

Not very considerate to parents.  I lived within a mile (as the crow flies) of my high school, so we did not get a bus.  However, there was absolutely no feasible way to walk (if you were the type of kid who wouldn't mind a mile walk to school every day), as it was cut off by the interstate.  We carpooled with older kids our freshman year and then carpooled with whomever was old enough to drive us all until we could all drive.

This should be as localized an issue as possible.

[DC Al Fine]

Non. If anything the driving age should be around 20 or so.

Not very considerate to parents.  I lived within a mile (as the crow flies) of my high school, so we did not get a bus.  However, there was absolutely no feasible way to walk (if you were the type of kid who wouldn't mind a mile walk to school every day), as it was cut off by the interstate.  We carpooled with older kids our freshman year and then carpooled with whomever was old enough to drive us all until we could all drive.

This should be as localized an issue as possible.

Tbh that sounds more like an argument against your school board's bad policies than against raising the driving age.

[RINO Tom]

Non. If anything the driving age should be around 20 or so.

Not very considerate to parents.  I lived within a mile (as the crow flies) of my high school, so we did not get a bus.  However, there was absolutely no feasible way to walk (if you were the type of kid who wouldn't mind a mile walk to school every day), as it was cut off by the interstate.  We carpooled with older kids our freshman year and then carpooled with whomever was old enough to drive us all until we could all drive.

This should be as localized an issue as possible.

Tbh that sounds more like an argument against your school board's bad policies than against raising the driving age.

Maybe so.  I still see no reason why an upperclassman in high school should not be able to drive a car, though.

[lfromnj]

No. And in fact it shouldn't be allowed until you are 18. (maybe 17 for a practice license; or a small exception for small motorbikes)

To those who say "no", how else do you propose that 14 and 15 year olds travel?

1: By bus

2: Ask their parents to carry them around

3: Taking a taxi (only in special occasions, taxis are expensive after all)

4: Walking/Bike

As a 15-16 year old I don't remember having much trouble with transportation or any need for a car.   The bus was all I needed tbh. Even in a rural area, how often do you actually need to leave town? (which since it's a rural area, it will be a small walkable town I assume). For school there will be a bus.

maybe in Europe but in America our culture is definitely much more car dependent.

[Former President tack50]

No. And in fact it shouldn't be allowed until you are 18. (maybe 17 for a practice license; or a small exception for small motorbikes)

To those who say "no", how else do you propose that 14 and 15 year olds travel?

1: By bus

2: Ask their parents to carry them around

3: Taking a taxi (only in special occasions, taxis are expensive after all)

4: Walking/Bike

As a 15-16 year old I don't remember having much trouble with transportation or any need for a car.   The bus was all I needed tbh. Even in a rural area, how often do you actually need to leave town? (which since it's a rural area, it will be a small walkable town I assume). For school there will be a bus.

maybe in Europe but in America our culture is definitely much more car dependent.

Fair enough, though taxis and relatives driving still exist in America even if the former is expensive and the latter is annoying.

I guess the biggest problems would not be in rural areas but rather in medium sized towns (too large to be walkable, too small to have decent public transport)

[Sprouts Farmers Market ✘]

No. And in fact it shouldn't be allowed until you are 18. (maybe 17 for a practice license; or a small exception for small motorbikes)

To those who say "no", how else do you propose that 14 and 15 year olds travel?

1: By bus

2: Ask their parents to carry them around

3: Taking a taxi (only in special occasions, taxis are expensive after all)

4: Walking/Bike

As a 15-16 year old I don't remember having much trouble with transportation or any need for a car.   The bus was all I needed tbh. Even in a rural area, how often do you actually need to leave town? (which since it's a rural area, it will be a small walkable town I assume). For school there will be a bus.

maybe in Europe but in America our culture is definitely much more car dependent.

Fair enough, though taxis and relatives driving still exist in America even if the former is expensive and the latter is annoying.

I guess the biggest problems would not be in rural areas but rather in medium sized towns (too large to be walkable, too small to have decent public transport)

I am reliant on the Uber to get to church when I am at my parent's house, but there are usually about two cars across the county during the day time hours. There are obviously no actual taxis in a county of 800,000 because everyone owns multiple cars.

"Relatives" is also likely much more difficult. Almost every family will have two working parents (fortunately not the case for me, nurturing my non-driving dependency), effectively unavailable from at least 8-6:30 on a good day. People from other parts of the country are in awe that all my relatives live 40-60 minutes from me, but these are all working people with children too, who couldn't just drop everything and drive me somewhere.

In most cases these should not be one-off needs since any good high schooler ought to be working. In hindsight, being driven to all my high school jobs was one of the six dumbest and least efficient uses of time in the history of western civilization. But I'm not really into ranking things.

[Continential]

Why not.

[John Dule]

Write-in: The DMV should be privatized and licensing should be managed by car dealerships and/or insurance companies.

[Mr. Smith]

Meh, could get on board if it's a UK style "Automatic Only" sort thing.

[OSR stands with Israel]

To those who say "no", how else do you propose that 14 and 15 year olds travel?

School Bus

[OSR stands with Israel]

Write-in: The DMV should be privatized and licensing should be managed by car dealerships and/or insurance companies.

lol

[Sirius_]

To those who say "no", how else do you propose that 14 and 15 year olds travel?

School Bus

How else do you propose that 14 and 15 year olds travel anywhere other than school? Unless you propose that 14 and 15 years olds shouldn't be able to go anywhere else on their own, which is absurd.

[OSR stands with Israel]

To those who say "no", how else do you propose that 14 and 15 year olds travel?

School Bus

How else do you propose that 14 and 15 year olds travel anywhere other than school? Unless you propose that 14 and 15 years olds shouldn't be able to go anywhere else on their own, which is absurd.

Parents or friends parents

[Goldwater]

To those who say "no", how else do you propose that 14 and 15 year olds travel?

The same way that 12 and 13 year olds travel?

[Sprouts Farmers Market ✘]

To those who say "no", how else do you propose that 14 and 15 year olds travel?

The same way that 12 and 13 year olds travel?

12 and 13 year olds shouldn't be working jobs. 15 year olds certainly should be.

[Former President tack50]

To those who say "no", how else do you propose that 14 and 15 year olds travel?

The same way that 12 and 13 year olds travel?

12 and 13 year olds shouldn't be working jobs. 15 year olds certainly should be.

I certainly disagree with that statement. I don't think any high schoolers should be working, or if they do, it should be informal jobs at best that are close to home or school. (Cutting the neighbour's grass, teaching the kid 3 blocks down some primary school stuff, etc).

How common is it for high schoolers to be working?

[darklordoftech]

I wonder what will happen if and when self-driving cars take off.