President Forever results thread...

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Andy, what was your platform?

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Andy, what was your platform?

I majorly used Iran, Iraq, Health Care, Experience and Homeland Security.

Sorry, what were your views on each issue?  Your entire platform?

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Tried out Rocky's new scenario:

Warner/Bayh: 58% PV, 476 EV
McCain/Palin: 42% PV, 62 EV

Closest state was South Dakota, decided by 2,059 votes.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

HI? AK? WV?

I have no idea.  I spent a couple turns in AK, but totally ignored HI and WV.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

New 1960 scenario I created:

Humphrey/Kennedy: 49.5% PV, 281 EV
Nixon/Rockefeller: 48.9% PV, 237 EV
Byrd/Thurmond: 1.6% PV, 19 EV

Closest state was Alaska, decided by 334 votes.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

That map sucks.

What's your problem with it?

[Kaine for Senate '18]

That map sucks.

What's your problem with it?

SC...

The state barely went to Kennedy; you expect it to go to Humphrey?

[Kaine for Senate '18]

That map sucks.

What's your problem with it?

SC...

The state barely went to Kennedy; you expect it to go to Humphrey?

Then why does Humphrey win the rest of the South?

He doesn't.  He loses VA, AL, and MS.  He barely won in TN, LA and AR, and it was very close in SC.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

He doesn't.  He loses VA, AL, and MS.  He barely won in TN, LA and AR, and it was very close in SC.

But still this is Hubert Humphrey we are talking about Ben. His stance on Civil Rights would have alienated potential supporters of his in the South, thus resulting in the South to overwhelmingly vote for Harry Byrd. That's what I think anyways.

In RL that'd be true, but not in P4E+P, where I gave Byrd the actual numbers from 1960; leaving him viable in only AL, MS, LA, and AR.  Maybe I'll boost his numbers somewhat in the South.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

He doesn't.  He loses VA, AL, and MS.  He barely won in TN, LA and AR, and it was very close in SC.

But still this is Hubert Humphrey we are talking about Ben. His stance on Civil Rights would have alienated potential supporters of his in the South, thus resulting in the South to overwhelmingly vote for Harry Byrd. That's what I think anyways.

In RL that'd be true, but not in P4E+P, where I gave Byrd the actual numbers from 1960; leaving him viable in only AL, MS, LA, and AR.  Maybe I'll boost his numbers somewhat in the South.

     I would. It's unrealistic that Byrd would do that badly in places like GA & NC with Humphrey as the nominee.

I was thinking I'm put him everywhere Thurmond appeared on the ballot, with Thurmond's numbers, but make him a lot stronger in Virginia.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

He doesn't.  He loses VA, AL, and MS.  He barely won in TN, LA and AR, and it was very close in SC.

But still this is Hubert Humphrey we are talking about Ben. His stance on Civil Rights would have alienated potential supporters of his in the South, thus resulting in the South to overwhelmingly vote for Harry Byrd. That's what I think anyways.

In RL that'd be true, but not in P4E+P, where I gave Byrd the actual numbers from 1960; leaving him viable in only AL, MS, LA, and AR.  Maybe I'll boost his numbers somewhat in the South.

     I would. It's unrealistic that Byrd would do that badly in places like GA & NC with Humphrey as the nominee.

I was thinking I'm put him everywhere Thurmond appeared on the ballot, with Thurmond's numbers, but make him a lot stronger in Virginia.

     Are you going to bother putting him on the ballot in CA & ND?

No   Although I haven't decided on the percentages.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Johnson/Humphrey: 50.9% PV, 276 EV
Rockefeller/Stratton: 49.1% PV, 261 EV

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Lieberman/Nunn-375
Bush/Cheney-163

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Lieberman/Bayh: 54.2% PV, 377 EV
Bush/Cheney: 45.8% PV, 161 EV

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Warner/Bayh: 54.3% PV, 386 EV
Huckabee/Ridge: 45.7% PV, 152 EV

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Bryan: 67% PV, 421 EV
McKinley: 27% PV, 26 EV
Levering: 3% PV, 0 EV
Palmer: 3% PV, 0 EV

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Bryan: 67% PV, 421 EV
McKinley: 27% PV, 26 EV
Levering: 3% PV, 0 EV
Palmer: 3% PV, 0 EV

I assume you used the infamous 'ad cheat' which is used by all who play President Forever, thus the large victory for Jennings Bryan in 1896? Anywho, Ben what was the margin in Kentucky? Although I'm not surprised that McKinley lost in a landslide, I'm surprised that of all states he carried Kentucky was one of them.

Kentucky was very close; 42.7-42.6.  It had been a toss-up going into election night, and I never went there.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Roosevelt: 197
Wilson: 181
Debs: 149
Taft: 4

The HoR elected Wilson.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Coolidge: 39% PV, 292 EV
Davis: 36% PV, 194 EV
LaFollette: 18% PV, 45 EV
Debs: 5% PV, 0 EV

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Hoover: 57% PV, 393 EV
Roosevelt: 43% PV, 138 EV

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Hoover: 57% PV, 393 EV
Roosevelt: 43% PV, 138 EV

Was this on the original PF for the one with the primaries? Texas was 80% and SC was 98% for Roosevelt on the PF+P which I played on.

Original.  I didn't know they had one for 1932; can you give a link?

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Davis: 38% PV, 275 EV
Coolidge: 38% PV, 218 EV
LaFollette: 17% PV, 38 EV
Debs: 6% PV, 0 EV

Coolidge won the popular vote by 71,133 votes (29,939,505 - 29,868,372).

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Hoover: 57% PV, 393 EV
Roosevelt: 43% PV, 138 EV

Was this on the original PF for the one with the primaries? Texas was 80% and SC was 98% for Roosevelt on the PF+P which I played on.

Original.  I didn't know they had one for 1932; can you give a link?

It's in the forum on 80soft.com

The one for the original had Hoover and FSR tied when you first start off. In the PF+P game, FDR leads 46-28 nationally when you first start off. The south never moves as FDR still broke 90% in SC, TX, AZ, MS, and AL even though he lost the race. That's why I was so happy I came back and beat him.

For some reason I can't get it; can you e-mail it to me?

[Kaine for Senate '18]

I've decided to go back and simulate every election since 1960, playing as the weakest candidate.

1960:

Nixon: 49% PV, 275 EV
Kennedy: 47% PV, 262 EV
Faubus: 2% PV, 0 EV

1964:

Johnson: 60% PV, 448 EV
Goldwater: 40% PV, 90 EV

1968:

Humphrey: 45% PV, 338 EV
Nixon: 36% PV, 100 EV
Wallace: 17% PV, 100 EV

[Kaine for Senate '18]

1972:

McGovern: 51% PV, 328 EV
Nixon: 49% PV, 210 EV

1976:

Carter: 51% PV, 291 EV
Ford: 49% PV, 247 EV