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« on: January 18, 2012, 10:11:07 PM »

It is no coincidence that pretty much every non-white group votes Democratic.

Republicans are racist.

Do you recognize this and not care, or do you not even see it?
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« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2012, 10:12:39 PM »

Republicans are racist, of course, and seek to murder all the world's brown people, but I would like to ask the OP what he thinks of the rampant anti-Cuban, anti-Vietnamese, and anti-Filipino sentiment in the Democratic party.
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« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2012, 11:42:43 PM »

I mean no praise for Democrats.
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« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2012, 11:50:20 PM »

It is no coincidence that pretty much every non-white group votes Democratic.

Except that in many ways, it is a coincidence.  That you can be here at a website full of demographic information and not appreciate the complexity of reasons behind voting patterns is frightening.
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« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2012, 12:35:40 AM »

Except that in many ways, it is a coincidence.  That you can be here at a website full of demographic information and not appreciate the complexity of reasons behind voting patterns is frightening.

There are many reasons behind voting patterns.

Yet there is no complicated reason minorities tend away from Republicans.

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« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2012, 10:18:38 AM »

It is no coincidence that pretty much every white group votes Republican.

Democrats are racist.

Do you recognize this and not care, or do you not even see it?
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« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2012, 10:33:53 AM »

It is no coincidence that pretty much every white group votes Republican.

Democrats are racist.

Do you recognize this and not care, or do you not even see it?

Racism, as a social system, is prejudice with the backing of privilege. Non-white groups tend not to have privilege in this country, to put it mildly.
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« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2012, 10:38:14 AM »

The bigger problem with the party is that there are plenty of people in it who aren't racist, but are perfectly fine ignoring racism if it benefits them electorally and that speaks to a serious lack of integrity.

After the Southern Strategy, it's pretty much a joke for any Republican to deny there is a racist element in the party.
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« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2012, 11:14:28 AM »

It is no coincidence that pretty much every white group votes Republican.

Democrats are racist.

Do you recognize this and not care, or do you not even see it?

Racism, as a social system, is prejudice with the backing of privilege. Non-white groups tend not to have privilege in this country, to put it mildly.

Racism as an individual attitude in individual voting choices, which is what the original post was referring to, doesn't require a backing of privilege. Just prejudice.
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« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2012, 11:18:49 AM »
« Edited: January 19, 2012, 11:21:00 AM by Very Attractive Cynthia McKinney »

It is no coincidence that pretty much every white group votes Republican.

Democrats are racist.

Do you recognize this and not care, or do you not even see it?

Racism, as a social system, is prejudice with the backing of privilege. Non-white groups tend not to have privilege in this country, to put it mildly.

Why do you think it is, then, that the most "privileged" white groups (Jews and Northeastern WASPs) are the most likely to vote Democrat, while the least "privileged" (Scots-Irish Southerners, who actually score worse than blacks on most socioeconomic indicators, without the privilege of college admissions or hiring preferences, and with the disadvantage of that it's not considered acceptable in polite society not to be bigoted towards them) are the most likely to vote GOP?

After the Southern Strategy, it's pretty much a joke for any Republican to deny there is a racist element in the party.

So the "Southern Strategy" (largely a myth anyway) is "racist" when the Republicans do it, but not Democrats?  (Carter, Clinton, Kennedy, Stevenson, Roosevelt etc.)
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« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2012, 11:33:13 AM »

I find it offensive that people think Republicans are racist...especially when you don't put forward any evidence to back it up

If we are racist explain the succedss of Herman Cain, Tim Scott, Allen West, JC Watts, and others- I know these are anecdotal evidence but more evidence then you have provided!
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« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2012, 11:41:15 AM »


So the "Southern Strategy" (largely a myth anyway) is "racist" when the Republicans do it, but not Democrats?  (Carter, Clinton, Kennedy, Stevenson, Roosevelt etc.)

Myth? You can't just dismiss what is the truth, the Southern Strategy was very real. Of all the Democrats you mentioned, none of them was elected on racial reasons and Stevenson wasn't elected at all. Read a history book, why do you think the south flipped from majority Democratic to majority Republican?
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« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2012, 11:46:08 AM »


So the "Southern Strategy" (largely a myth anyway) is "racist" when the Republicans do it, but not Democrats?  (Carter, Clinton, Kennedy, Stevenson, Roosevelt etc.)

Myth? You can't just dismiss what is the truth, the Southern Strategy was very real. Of all the Democrats you mentioned, none of them was elected on racial reasons and Stevenson wasn't elected at all. Read a history book, why do you think the south flipped from majority Democratic to majority Republican?


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« Reply #13 on: January 19, 2012, 11:50:13 AM »

The Republican party certainly is racist. As I said before:

Solid South-LBJ does the Civil Rights thing-AUH20 wins Deep South-Nixon appeals to the racists in the Democratic party (Southern Strategy)-Racist Democrats vote for him;join GOP-Nixon resigns-Ford and Carter are not racist-Ronald Reagan elected-Ronald Reagan alienates most minorities-Remaining racists mostly join GOP except for party loyalists.
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« Reply #14 on: January 19, 2012, 11:57:53 AM »

Those of us who saw segregation with our own eyes and had black employees intimidated by the Klan are a bit more sensitive towards being called a racist

Racists are ignorant and wrong...as are those who use the word racist too much and generalize half the country as being hateful bigots
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« Reply #15 on: January 19, 2012, 12:15:33 PM »

I think a lot of people-Republican, Democrat, or other-express racist feelings, without realizing that what they say is racist.
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« Reply #16 on: January 19, 2012, 12:23:57 PM »
« Edited: January 19, 2012, 12:28:37 PM by Nathan »

It is no coincidence that pretty much every white group votes Republican.

Democrats are racist.

Do you recognize this and not care, or do you not even see it?

Racism, as a social system, is prejudice with the backing of privilege. Non-white groups tend not to have privilege in this country, to put it mildly.

Racism as an individual attitude in individual voting choices, which is what the original post was referring to, doesn't require a backing of privilege. Just prejudice.

That isn't racism. Just prejudice. Racism is structural, especially as applied to voting blocs. Individualism in politics is illusory anyway, and not just at the racial/ethnic level. The idea that the Democratic Party is in the business of systematically dog-whistling against white people is absolutely laughable.
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« Reply #17 on: January 19, 2012, 12:29:15 PM »

Some people in both parties are subtly racist, but the Republican Party as a whole is not racist. The party platform does not a single racist tennant. Class distinction is not the same as racial distinction. For example, I'll bet if I ask a hundred people on the street which Cleveland neighborhood had a higher violent crime rate in 2003 (the most recent year I can find detailed stats on) Glenville or Cudell, about 90% (in both parties) will say Glenville just because it's close to 100% black and Cudell is 80%+ white, even though that's the wrong answer.

Sure there are racist elements in the Republican Party (honestly, I think it ends up directed more at Hispanics than blacks today), but most of the Democrats truthfully don't respond any differently to race than the Republicans do. The very, very liberal city of Cleveland Heights passed a 6PM curfew ordinance last summer after a bunch of black teenagers had a flash mob. I have a very hard time believing they would have reacted so strongly to white teenagers having a flash mob and I'd love to see some stats about how it's enforced broken down by race. The white liberals can call themselves "open-minded" and "tolerant" all they want, when a neighborhood starts to become black, they skedaddle just as fast as the white conservatives do.
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« Reply #18 on: January 19, 2012, 12:51:04 PM »
« Edited: January 19, 2012, 12:54:02 PM by Jacobtm »

Racism is more than just saying ''I hate brown people''. It is supporting policies that retain white privilege and keep other minorities in inferior positions.

Republicans most oppose Federal funding for education,  and want to get rid of the department of education all together. That keeps education funding at the local level, supported by local taxes, so that poor minority communities are stuck with poor schools.

Republicans most oppose the welfare state that in every other country helps to alleviate the effects of extreme poverty, suffered disproportionately by non-whites.

Republicans most oppose the idea of bilingual education, which has been proven to help speakers of other languages achieve higher levels of education.

The whole mantra of ''State's Rights'' has always been about keeping black people down. First maintaining segregation. Now denying the right to vote for those without photo IDs, who're disproportionately black. South Carolina is ''literally at war with the Federal Government'' over ''State's Rights'' yet again.

They rail against Latino immigrants, even though their children are learning English faster than the immigrants of the past who've built this country.

Newt Gingrich thinks making black kids janitors and firing their parents from those same jobs would be a good way to deal with poverty. He thought colonialism in the Congo was a present that the charitable Dutch bestowed on the poor Congolese.

Ron Paul swears that his own newsletter published racist stuff for years without him having the foggiest Idea. Nevermind that he draws quite alot of neo-confederate support.

Rick Santorum swears, no, he didn't say ''black people'', he meant ''blah people''.

Rick Perry, well, it was just an unfortunate coincidence he had a ranch named ''nhead''.

It's funny how all this racist stuff keeps happening, when no one is a racist...

The following article, written by a black man, shows his opinion on the policies and actions of Reagan. He found both his policies and his personal behavior exceedingly racist:

http://www.blackamericatoday.com/article.cfm?ArticleID=629

I didn't mean to say every Republican voter is a racist. That hardly matters. What matters is the what Republican politicians actually do.
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« Reply #19 on: January 19, 2012, 12:56:01 PM »

The word racist has no place in our discourse unless we're talking about David Duke ideologies... you seem to be talkinga bout affirmative action and things of that nature so let me ask you this- is there anything more racist then saying to an African American "we expect LESS from you"?
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« Reply #20 on: January 19, 2012, 01:04:27 PM »

The word racist has no place in our discourse unless we're talking about David Duke ideologies... you seem to be talkinga bout affirmative action and things of that nature so let me ask you this- is there anything more racist then saying to an African American "we expect LESS from you"?

No, racism is alive and well, and ignoring it and pretending that only the Klan is racist is the perfect way to minimalize race problems that still exist.

The African American was stolen from his home land. Robbed of his name, his culture, his history. Lived in slavery for centuries. Raped by his white owner. Suffered segregation for another century. Stuffed into the poorest neighborhoods. Denied education. Harassed by the police. Treated like garbage for all of our history. In the 1960s a black man couldn't even order coffee where he pleased.

You expect that a people who's been stomped on for centuries to simply pick itself up, dust itself off, and act like nothing happened? These people are still suffering from racism, from the racism of the past, and from the continued racism that keeps them in some of the poorest communities with the poorest education in our country.

And you think it's racist to offer them a hand?
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« Reply #21 on: January 19, 2012, 01:10:44 PM »


So the "Southern Strategy" (largely a myth anyway) is "racist" when the Republicans do it, but not Democrats?  (Carter, Clinton, Kennedy, Stevenson, Roosevelt etc.)

Myth? You can't just dismiss what is the truth, the Southern Strategy was very real. Of all the Democrats you mentioned, none of them was elected on racial reasons and Stevenson wasn't elected at all. Read a history book, why do you think the south flipped from majority Democratic to majority Republican?


The Vietnam War.

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« Reply #22 on: January 19, 2012, 01:16:05 PM »

...while the least "privileged" (Scots-Irish Southerners, who actually score worse than blacks on most socioeconomic indicators, without the privilege of college admissions or hiring preferences, and with the disadvantage of that it's not considered acceptable in polite society not to be bigoted towards them) are the most likely to vote GOP?



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« Reply #23 on: January 19, 2012, 01:26:05 PM »


That is just flat out untrue and I think you know that. History speaks for itself, no amount of revising is going to change it.
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« Reply #24 on: January 19, 2012, 01:27:02 PM »

but the Republican Party as a whole is not racist. The party platform does not a single racist tennant. Class distinction is not the same as racial distinction.

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