Why didn't Kucinich gain any momentum?
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« on: March 16, 2015, 06:13:38 PM »

Especially in 2004
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« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2015, 06:16:04 PM »
« Edited: March 16, 2015, 06:18:05 PM by tara gilesbie »

Because Dean and Obama used similar rhetoric.
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« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2015, 06:21:05 PM »

Because unlike the Republicans, Democrats don't support joke candidates.
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« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2015, 06:28:34 PM »

Because Dean and Obama used similar rhetoric.

Then why did they get attention and not Koosy?
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« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2015, 06:34:52 PM »
« Edited: March 16, 2015, 11:07:13 PM by tara gilesbie »

Because Dean and Obama used similar rhetoric.

Then why did they get attention and not Koosy?

-His mixed record as mayor of Cleveland.

-He was considered too similar to George McGovern in 1972.

-Dean and Obama were higher ranking officials (a Governor and a Senator, respectively)

-Dean and Obama were given money by wealthy donors.

-Fox News/Free Republic/Newsmax had a particular hatred of Kuchinich and repeated the "oh he's a ultra-left quack" routine to the point that even most progressives believed it.
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« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2015, 09:07:11 PM »

Let's be honest here; he looks like a kooky goblin.
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« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2015, 09:59:35 PM »

Because unlike the Republicans, Democrats don't support joke candidates.
Your party consistently elects warmongers and corporatists. They are the joke. Kucinich is not. Sadly, democrats hate real liberalism, and Kucinich is the last of a dying breed.

Kucinch isn't as liberal as many assume. He was anti-abortion until shortly before his 2004 run for President,
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« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2015, 10:06:34 PM »

Because unlike the Republicans, Democrats don't support joke candidates.
Your party consistently elects warmongers and corporatists. They are the joke. Kucinich is not. Sadly, democrats hate real liberalism, and Kucinich is the last of a dying breed.

An R-TX lecturing the Democratic Party about "warmongers and corporatists"? LMFAO
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« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2015, 10:23:16 PM »
« Edited: March 17, 2015, 10:26:34 PM by tara gilesbie »

So, yes, I think these smears emphasize why he was never taken seriously.

Because unlike the Republicans, Democrats don't support joke candidates.
Your party consistently elects warmongers and corporatists. They are the joke. Kucinich is not. Sadly, democrats hate real liberalism, and Kucinich is the last of a dying breed.

An R-TX lecturing the Democratic Party about "warmongers and corporatists"? LMFAO

There is a certain...irony there. Not that he's wrong, sadly.
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« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2015, 04:42:28 AM »

Because unlike the Republicans, Democrats don't support joke candidates.
Your party consistently elects warmongers and corporatists. They are the joke. Kucinich is not. Sadly, democrats hate real liberalism, and Kucinich is the last of a dying breed.

Kucinch isn't as liberal as many assume. He was anti-abortion until shortly before his 2004 run for President,

Kinda like Hill and Obama were against gay marriage before it became popular
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« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2015, 11:22:42 PM »

He's kinda silly and he ran in the wrong cycles for that.

In 2004, Democrats were looking for someone to take on a wartime President.

In 2008, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama represented major milestones.
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« Reply #11 on: March 19, 2015, 12:11:27 AM »

Regardless of what you think of Kucinich's views, he was still a joke candidate. Highest elected office was the House, bad record as mayor of Cleveland, and was far more interested in throwing bombs than actually accomplishing anything.
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« Reply #12 on: March 19, 2015, 04:44:45 AM »

Regardless of what you think of Kucinich's views, he was still a joke candidate. Highest elected office was the House, bad record as mayor of Cleveland, and was far more interested in throwing bombs than actually accomplishing anything.

Kucinch saved Cleveland hundreds of millions by standing up to the banks and the mafia, the later of which put a hit on him, and not selling the public utility company.
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« Reply #13 on: March 19, 2015, 10:24:31 PM »

Regardless of what you think of Kucinich's views, he was still a joke candidate. Highest elected office was the House, bad record as mayor of Cleveland, and was far more interested in throwing bombs than actually accomplishing anything.

Kucinch saved Cleveland hundreds of millions by standing up to the banks and the mafia, the later of which put a hit on him, and not selling the public utility company.

He also has a wild history of incompetent and gimmicky stunts such as firing people on live television. Whatever his views might be, Kucinich can't seem to present himself in a way that seems more than quixotic. He never really could.
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« Reply #14 on: March 20, 2015, 11:06:41 AM »

Regardless of what you think of Kucinich's views, he was still a joke candidate. Highest elected office was the House, bad record as mayor of Cleveland, and was far more interested in throwing bombs than actually accomplishing anything.

Kucinch saved Cleveland hundreds of millions by standing up to the banks and the mafia, the later of which put a hit on him, and not selling the public utility company.

He also has a wild history of incompetent and gimmicky stunts such as firing people on live television. Whatever his views might be, Kucinich can't seem to present himself in a way that seems more than quixotic. He never really could.

This.  His views almost became irrelevant; he just came across as ... unstable, LOL.
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« Reply #15 on: March 22, 2015, 04:47:50 PM »

Because the Democratic Party isn't a liberal party. It is a moderate party that liberals happen to reside in.
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« Reply #16 on: March 22, 2015, 04:59:40 PM »

Regardless of what you think of Kucinich's views, he was still a joke candidate. Highest elected office was the House, bad record as mayor of Cleveland, and was far more interested in throwing bombs than actually accomplishing anything.

Kucinch saved Cleveland hundreds of millions by standing up to the banks and the mafia, the later of which put a hit on him, and not selling the public utility company.

He also has a wild history of incompetent and gimmicky stunts such as firing people on live television. Whatever his views might be, Kucinich can't seem to present himself in a way that seems more than quixotic. He never really could.

This.  His views almost became irrelevant; he just came across as ... unstable, LOL.

Yes, remember when he saw a UFO?
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« Reply #17 on: March 22, 2015, 08:05:32 PM »

Kucinich didn't get momentum because he's perceived as a loser, and this is a problem for a candidate.  If people think you're a loser before you show up for the first debate, you have probably too much of a hard row to hoe to make it.  Donors aren't going to fund a candidate they believe is sure to lose for any other reason than a siphoning operation against an enemy. 

Lots of guys have this issue.  Nixon had to overcome the "loser" image in 1968; it was an image that hung on and it kept others in the game.  It haunts Rick Perry (who's a joke) and Rick Santorum (who is more competent, but who lost big in 2006).  It cost McGovern influence in his party; he was never viewed, even to the left, in the light that Barry Goldwater was viewed by the GOP.  (Goldwater's lost was the first step toward making the GOP a victorious conservative party; McGovern's loss became an albatross around the party's neck to this day.)
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