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DC Al Fine
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« on: September 27, 2014, 11:49:33 AM »

*Sigh* An Upworthy headline? Really?

Ok let's take a look at this...

Oh look he hand waves away the single best argument against a high minimum wage. No convinced.
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« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2014, 08:06:09 AM »

*Sigh* An Upworthy headline? Really?

Ok let's take a look at this...

Oh look he hand waves away the single best argument against a high minimum wage. No convinced.

You prefer the handwaving that is put forth against a higher minimum wage?  Obviously, the minimum wage can be set too high, but the current evidence indicates we're not near that point.  I do think more than doubling the minimum wage in a mere three years is too far rapid, but certainly the current democratic proposal is very reasonable and I think an increase to say $12/hour over a five year period would also be very reasonable.

The issue isn't one of what a fair wage is. It's what a fair income is. I think its perfectly reasonable to make sure every American has a minimum standard of living, but the minimum wage isn't the best way to do that.

In his first argument, the presenter charts out how a $15 minimum wage is appropriate given increases in productivity and inflation. Fair enough. It's a reasonable argument and he provided evidence to support it. When the talk turns to outsourcing/automation he says something like "increased demand from higher wages will outweigh the loss in jobs" with nothing to back it up. There's something of a Laffer curve in this, with increases from a low minimum wage doing lots of good for little cost and increases to a very high minimum wage creating lots of pain for little gain.

At some point the minimum wage will create more job loss/more strain on the welfare state than it will create jobs/demand. That point is crucial, and needs to be considered, especially when the minimum wage being argued for is much higher than the current $10-$12/hr proposals. The video waved off this issue entirely, and became standard Upworthy fare because of it.
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DC Al Fine
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« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2014, 07:49:48 PM »

Something else I noticed. Reich says that the 1968 minimum wage adjusted for inflation would be "well above $10/hr", but a quick google shows that the real minimum wage peaked at just over $10 in '68. Where is he getting that data from?
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DC Al Fine
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« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2014, 04:55:47 AM »


Why?  No mention yet of how hot and sexy min. wage babes are. 

More on point, those who have mentioned the low-skill turnstyle are absolutely right.  These places churn and burn because the low wages and serfish atmosphere create toxicity in the workplace.  Not to mention a McSlave can be fired for pretty much any reason their equally miserable boss decides.  Stable people with stable income pump stable spending money back into the economy.  The world is complicated, but some things just make sense.
You're ignoring the arguments that Nix has made throughout this thread. Even assuming that a minimum increase would improve "the economy" by stimulating demand, that still doesn't refute the argument that such an increase would hurt lower-skilled workers by making them less/unemployable.

How would they be less employable if no employer has any choice BUT to pay them more?  What, do you think McD's is going to sit there with their arms folded sternly over the chest as literally no one flips the patties?  Minimum wage laws are partially there for that very reason: oh, you think paying your employees that much would be bad for the bottom line?  Well, too bad, Moneybags, then fire everyone and see where business goes.  Do you think McDonald's hires even ONE more person than needed to run the restaurant?  McDonald's hires the people they need and then the sign comes down.  (Well, at a place like McD the turnover is constant, but we're just using them as an example here) If they gave a crap about what their employees make, we wouldn't have to force them to pay their employees more!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outsourcing

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automation

Your argument assumes that low wage employers' only option is local labour. The grocery store can switch from 8 cashiers and 2 machines to 2 cashiers and 8 machines you know. High minimum wages are a poor policy to create a minimum standard of living, because large chunks of the American public just aren't worth $15/hr. There are better ways to help the poor like guaranteed incomes.
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