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Alben Barkley
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« on: August 16, 2021, 10:56:38 AM »

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56966473

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Former US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has warned of "huge consequences" of President Joe Biden's decision to withdraw American troops from Afghanistan.

Mrs Clinton told CNN there was a risk the Taliban - the Islamist group ousted in 2001 by the US-led invasion - could retake control.

The US aims to complete the withdrawal by 11 September.

However, the Taliban have been carrying out more attacks.

"This is what we call a wicked problem," Mrs Clinton told CNN. "There are consequences both foreseen and unintended of staying and of leaving," she said.

Mrs Clinton, like Mr Biden a Democrat, was a strong supporter of the US intervention in Afghanistan after the 9/11 attacks in 2001.

Mr Biden wants to complete the withdrawal by the 20th anniversary of the attacks later this year.

At least 2,500 US troops are currently deployed as part of the 9,600-strong Nato Afghan mission.

The president said the US pull-out was justified as American forces had ensured that the country could no longer be a base for foreign jihadists to plot against the West.

Asked about the president's decision by CNN's Fareed Zakaria on Sunday, Mrs Clinton said, "Our government has to focus on two huge consequences", notably the resumption of activities by extremist groups and a subsequent outpouring of refugees from Afghanistan.

She said the potential collapse of the Afghan government and a possible takeover by the Taliban could result in a new civil war.

Mrs Clinton said it was also important to protect the "many thousands of Afghans" who had worked with the US and Nato during the conflict, and said a large visa programme should be set up to provide for any refugees.



Hillary Clinton represents the view of foreign-policy experts: The US should show its strength and deploy its military. Her criticism of Biden's plan reflects this sensibility.

Her criticism matters, in part because so many in the foreign-policy establishment, both Democrats and Republicans, agree with her. Condoleezza Rice, who served as secretary of state under President George W Bush, has also warned about the risks of withdrawing troops, and the threat of terrorism.
Yet liberals, such as Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont, do not think the troops should be there. Nor do many Americans. A 2019 Gallup poll showed 58% of Democrats think the war in Afghanistan has made the US less safe from terrorism.

Clinton's views are important, but Biden has the support of many Americans. Plus, he's the president, and has made his decision. His views are the ones that matter now, not hers.

Should have been her. Again. She would have been less naive about the situation and at the very least ensured we got all our people out, interpreters and all.
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« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2021, 07:24:40 PM »

Shillary for the MIC No. 678910.

If anything it's just more proof that she learned nothing from Iraq...except perhaps political expediency (hence the both sides stuff).

I'd expect nothing less from a Goldwater Girl...except even Barry G. thought LBJ was bein' irresponsible about 'Nam.
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« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2021, 07:31:37 PM »

Stop trying to outdo GeneralMacArthur
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« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2021, 07:32:49 PM »

Reminder: Hillary was the right. Again.
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« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2021, 07:38:32 PM »

When has Hillary not been right?
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« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2021, 09:00:36 PM »

I suspect that the belief that Hillary lost because she was seen as too hawkish contributed to Biden’s decision to withdraw.
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« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2021, 09:37:29 PM »


Her belief that Trump and the GOP congress economic policy agenda from 2016 would be bad for the nation
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« Reply #7 on: August 17, 2021, 07:51:53 AM »


When she made campaign promises that her appointees to the Supreme Court would have to pass three limit tests: 1) they must overturn the precedent of Citizens United v. FEC, 2) they must not overturn the precedent of Roe v. Wade, 3) they must not overturn the precedent of Obergefell v. Hodges. All three of those expectations were/are misinterpretations of the Constitution. Her expectations were that her appointees to the Court must fulfill a liberal agenda. She forgot that the Court is not supposed to be political, it is supposed to be objective.
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« Reply #8 on: August 17, 2021, 08:46:32 AM »

Even when she's right, she's wrong.
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« Reply #9 on: August 17, 2021, 10:39:26 AM »

Cringe
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« Reply #10 on: August 17, 2021, 11:31:25 AM »

The less I hear about Hillary Clinton, the better. Especially when it comes to foreign policy.
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« Reply #11 on: August 17, 2021, 12:27:43 PM »

Yes, she was right that pulling out of Afghanistan would have a huge consequence.  What did she do in 4 years running the State Dept. to soften the blow of the eventual withdrawal she knew would come one day?
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« Reply #12 on: August 17, 2021, 12:56:33 PM »

Mother Hillary of Chappaqua, the patron saint of Democratic establishment hacks, hath spoken. We are now obliged to bow our heads in agreement and repent for the collective sin of her not being president.
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