Conservative Party (UK) leadership election, 2022, Take Two

[Хahar 🤔]

I've kind of changed my opinon on Sunak, he's currently rich but he wasn't realy born into it. His family background is solidy upper-middle class, and I think that probably allows him to appele better to the electorate than someone born a plutocrat.

It's true that he wasn't born into obscene wealth. He has it now because he married into it. Somehow I doubt that that makes him seem like a man of the people.

[Conservatopia]

I've kind of changed my opinon on Sunak, he's currently rich but he wasn't realy born into it. His family background is solidy upper-middle class, and I think that probably allows him to appele better to the electorate than someone born a plutocrat.

It's true that he wasn't born into obscene wealth. He has it now because he married into it. Somehow I doubt that that makes him seem like a man of the people.

No but you see every working class man wants to marry a billionaire heiress so actually Sunak is a aspirational working class hero salt of the earth man of people.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Sunak is, I think, quite reassuring to the Times reading classes (whether they actually read that newspaper or not) and I think his background, and the resulting way he behaves in public and so on, is one reason for that. This is a section of society that he probably does connect to relatively well. It is a fairly small section of society.

[Zinneke]

Luv me JK Rowling
Luv me NHS
Luv diversity as long as it's not rap music
Hate trans people
Hate Jeremy Corbyn
Hate Islington even though I liver there

Simple as

[CumbrianLefty]

Luv performative civility - maybe this defines the "Times reading classes" most of all.

[Secretary of State Liberal Hack]

I've kind of changed my opinon on Sunak, he's currently rich but he wasn't realy born into it. His family background is solidy upper-middle class, and I think that probably allows him to appele better to the electorate than someone born a plutocrat.

It's true that he wasn't born into obscene wealth. He has it now because he married into it. Somehow I doubt that that makes him seem like a man of the people.

Well both Cameron and Boris were born into solidly upper-class backgrounds so Sunak does come from relatively humble roots compared to them.

[Coldstream]

I've kind of changed my opinon on Sunak, he's currently rich but he wasn't realy born into it. His family background is solidy upper-middle class, and I think that probably allows him to appele better to the electorate than someone born a plutocrat.

It's true that he wasn't born into obscene wealth. He has it now because he married into it. Somehow I doubt that that makes him seem like a man of the people.

Well both Cameron and Boris were born into solidly upper-class backgrounds so Sunak does come from relatively humble roots compared to them.

Sunak went to private school, which less than 6% of the population do (ie 94% don’t). If that makes him middle class then the term middle class has become meaningless.

By any reasonable definition he is part of the upper class.

[Secretary of State Liberal Hack]

I've kind of changed my opinon on Sunak, he's currently rich but he wasn't realy born into it. His family background is solidy upper-middle class, and I think that probably allows him to appele better to the electorate than someone born a plutocrat.

It's true that he wasn't born into obscene wealth. He has it now because he married into it. Somehow I doubt that that makes him seem like a man of the people.

Well both Cameron and Boris were born into solidly upper-class backgrounds so Sunak does come from relatively humble roots compared to them.

Sunak went to private school, which less than 6% of the population do (ie 94% don’t). If that makes him middle class then the term middle class has become meaningless.

By any reasonable definition he is part of the upper class.

No one is denying that he's from a comfortable background, but child of a Pharmacist and doctor is not exactly the sort of background that screems plutocrat.

[Coldstream]

I've kind of changed my opinon on Sunak, he's currently rich but he wasn't realy born into it. His family background is solidy upper-middle class, and I think that probably allows him to appele better to the electorate than someone born a plutocrat.

It's true that he wasn't born into obscene wealth. He has it now because he married into it. Somehow I doubt that that makes him seem like a man of the people.

Well both Cameron and Boris were born into solidly upper-class backgrounds so Sunak does come from relatively humble roots compared to them.

Sunak went to private school, which less than 6% of the population do (ie 94% don’t). If that makes him middle class then the term middle class has become meaningless.

By any reasonable definition he is part of the upper class.

No one is denying that he's from a comfortable background, but child of a Pharmacist and doctor is not exactly the sort of background that screems plutocrat.

Maybe, but attending Winchester College after a prep school is not “upper middle class” in any sense. He is from the privileged elite.

[Secretary of State Liberal Hack]

I've kind of changed my opinon on Sunak, he's currently rich but he wasn't realy born into it. His family background is solidy upper-middle class, and I think that probably allows him to appele better to the electorate than someone born a plutocrat.

It's true that he wasn't born into obscene wealth. He has it now because he married into it. Somehow I doubt that that makes him seem like a man of the people.

Well both Cameron and Boris were born into solidly upper-class backgrounds so Sunak does come from relatively humble roots compared to them.

Sunak went to private school, which less than 6% of the population do (ie 94% don’t). If that makes him middle class then the term middle class has become meaningless.

By any reasonable definition he is part of the upper class.

No one is denying that he's from a comfortable background, but child of a Pharmacist and doctor is not exactly the sort of background that screems plutocrat.

Maybe, but attending Winchester College after a prep school is not “upper middle class” in any sense. He is from the privileged elite.

What do you define "upper middle-class" as ? Because Doctors and Pharmacist two well-paid proffesions seems to be about as exemplary of it as possible.

[Coldstream]

I've kind of changed my opinon on Sunak, he's currently rich but he wasn't realy born into it. His family background is solidy upper-middle class, and I think that probably allows him to appele better to the electorate than someone born a plutocrat.

It's true that he wasn't born into obscene wealth. He has it now because he married into it. Somehow I doubt that that makes him seem like a man of the people.

Well both Cameron and Boris were born into solidly upper-class backgrounds so Sunak does come from relatively humble roots compared to them.

Sunak went to private school, which less than 6% of the population do (ie 94% don’t). If that makes him middle class then the term middle class has become meaningless.

By any reasonable definition he is part of the upper class.

No one is denying that he's from a comfortable background, but child of a Pharmacist and doctor is not exactly the sort of background that screems plutocrat.

Maybe, but attending Winchester College after a prep school is not “upper middle class” in any sense. He is from the privileged elite.

What do you define "upper middle-class" as ? Because Doctors and Pharmacist two well-paid proffesions seems to be about as exemplary of it as possible.

Not people who went to a fee-paying school, which is only 7% of the population - it’s not that complicated.

[Zinneke]

I've kind of changed my opinon on Sunak, he's currently rich but he wasn't realy born into it. His family background is solidy upper-middle class, and I think that probably allows him to appele better to the electorate than someone born a plutocrat.

It's true that he wasn't born into obscene wealth. He has it now because he married into it. Somehow I doubt that that makes him seem like a man of the people.

Well both Cameron and Boris were born into solidly upper-class backgrounds so Sunak does come from relatively humble roots compared to them.

Sunak went to private school, which less than 6% of the population do (ie 94% don’t). If that makes him middle class then the term middle class has become meaningless.

By any reasonable definition he is part of the upper class.

No one is denying that he's from a comfortable background, but child of a Pharmacist and doctor is not exactly the sort of background that screems plutocrat.

Maybe, but attending Winchester College after a prep school is not “upper middle class” in any sense. He is from the privileged elite.

What do you define "upper middle-class" as ? Because Doctors and Pharmacist two well-paid proffesions seems to be about as exemplary of it as possible.

https://youtu.be/_Yr4yEguWrw

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Well, historically speaking 'upper class' would indicate a member of the nobility, which Sunak certainly isn't. If you use that traditional metric, then there would be no contradiction of someone being in the 'elite' in a material sense and also being upper middle class.

[Kahane's Grave Is A Gender-Neutral Bathroom]

I mean financially sure, but Britain has much larger class divides from a social perspective (America has a larger fiscal separation, ofc)

[Zinneke]

Non-historically speaking, I consider upper middle class people to still be dependent on their income. They may own 1-2 properties with mortgages, they may have a high income, but they are still dependent on said income and getting up every day to earn a wage (even through their SME or self-employment). They probably have more expensive hobbies and free time than lower to middle income classes but fundamentally if they lost their job it would still have a material impact on their lifestyle.

Upper class people who are no longer middle class are people who can afford to just do square root of nowt all day because they have multiple properties, capital income, or just inherited family wealth.

Sunak could just down tools tomorrow and live the rest of his life jet setting around the world.

That's my 2cents.

[Lechasseur]

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-63503932

Sir Graham Brady confirmed that Boris had the backing he needed to run for the Tory leadership, but just chose not to run.

If Brady says he had the numbers then he did, but I do think something else happened that is being kept behind closed doors. I have a very hard time believing that Boris just decided not to run.

[MABA 2020]

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-63503932

Sir Graham Brady confirmed that Boris had the backing he needed to run for the Tory leadership, but just chose not to run.

If Brady says he had the numbers then he did, but I do think something else happened that is being kept behind closed doors. I have a very hard time believing that Boris just decided not to run.

Somebody must've made it clear to him that him winning the leadership would just lead to Keir Starmer becoming PM by the end of the year.

[CumbrianLefty]

Hmmm, you do suspect we aren't being told the full story don't you.

Not *totally* impossible that Johnson got the final nominations he needed by telling the MPs that he wasn't going to stand and it was all just for show. One thing is for sure - he *didn't* have the number required on Saturday afternoon, when the BBC et al reported as undisputed fact that he did.