This is a public school in the United States

[Insula Dei]

there is, or at least used to be, more to being human than renting oneself for another's accumulation of capital.

You know sometimes I just really can't believe the absolutely retarded statements some people make on here. Way to advertise yourself as an entitled idiot that is all but guaranteed to be near dirt poor the rest of your life.

Haha, yes, obviously all life can be reduced to your utility to the masters.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Mathematics is overrated as compared to the arts? Seriously? Fair point about the teaching of history though.

I mean, insofar as one's employment is socially overrated compared to one's hobbies, interests, way of being with family and friends, and so on. Obviously mathematics is important for many if not most of the most remunerative types of work these days and I wasn't trying to claim otherwise.

[Sbane]

Mathematics is overrated as compared to the arts? Seriously? Fair point about the teaching of history though.

I mean, insofar as one's employment is socially overrated compared to one's hobbies, interests, way of being with family and friends, and so on. Obviously mathematics is important for many if not most of the most remunerative types of work these days and I wasn't trying to claim otherwise.

I'm sorry but employment is not overrated. Unless you have a trust fund. Then disregard what I said.

[Small Business Owner of Any Repute]

there is, or at least used to be, more to being human than renting oneself for another's accumulation of capital.

You know sometimes I just really can't believe the absolutely retarded statements some people make on here. Way to advertise yourself as an entitled idiot that is all but guaranteed to be near dirt poor the rest of your life.

he posted, unaware of the irony behind his statement

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Mathematics is overrated as compared to the arts? Seriously? Fair point about the teaching of history though.

I mean, insofar as one's employment is socially overrated compared to one's hobbies, interests, way of being with family and friends, and so on. Obviously mathematics is important for many if not most of the most remunerative types of work these days and I wasn't trying to claim otherwise.

I'm sorry but employment is not overrated. Unless you have a trust fund. Then disregard what I said.

Employment is only not overrated because the entirety of the present society is structured around the idea of full-time secular employment in the general workforce as the only way to fulfillment. You really don't see any problem with expecting people to spend every waking hour working or thinking about work? That is in fact what's happening, increasingly as human time is commodified (not that it wasn't seen as a commodity already...).

[TheDeadFlagBlues]

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wtf, I hate whoever wrote this.

[TheDeadFlagBlues]

Anyone who advocates for charter schools has never been to a charter school.

[Хahar 🤔]

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wtf, I hate whoever wrote this.

When you think about it, that dichotomy doesn't even make any sense.

[Sbane]

Mathematics is overrated as compared to the arts? Seriously? Fair point about the teaching of history though.

I mean, insofar as one's employment is socially overrated compared to one's hobbies, interests, way of being with family and friends, and so on. Obviously mathematics is important for many if not most of the most remunerative types of work these days and I wasn't trying to claim otherwise.

I'm sorry but employment is not overrated. Unless you have a trust fund. Then disregard what I said.

Employment is only not overrated because the entirety of the present society is structured around the idea of full-time secular employment in the general workforce as the only way to fulfillment. You really don't see any problem with expecting people to spend every waking hour working or thinking about work? That is in fact what's happening, increasingly as human time is commodified (not that it wasn't seen as a commodity already...).

Well it seems like you are jumping into topics such as the appropriate amount of leisure time. I was just saying it is of utmost important to get the skills to find a job. And if that means hobbies cannot be developed in school, then so be it. And these days the more education you get the less disposable you are. And I don't think arts and crafts, a lot of majors in college in the humanities and even creative writing for that matter provide the skills needed. We needs kids to know basic math and science, be able to read a wide variety of material from different fields, and persuasive writing.

[dead0man]

Anyone who advocates for charter schools has never been to a charter school.

That is obviously false.  Unless every single kid in the country in a charter school is being forced to go a charter school, which seems really unlikely.

[Wonkish1]

Anyone who advocates for charter schools has never been to a charter school.

So you think that minority parents and students that care about education are just idiots then? Because they actually choose to enroll in the charter schools. They aren't forced to go there. And the parents and kids that start crying in happiness when their ball is picked, they must just be ignorant dummies, right?

I'll tell you what why don't you talk to the parents that will tell you that the difference between their kid going to college and being at risk of going to jail is the pick of their ball, and you can tell that parent to their face that they are just stupid and naive.

[Foucaulf]

I see that this school takes inspiration from the Chinese system. Anybody who thinks this is a good idea is delusional. You want drilling exercises? Khan Academy provides those for free.

What is insulting is how simple it is to teach to the test, but how big a deal it is inflated to be. Even more insulting is how this one focus blots out the reactionary order in these schools.

[All Along The Watchtower]

Anyone who advocates for charter schools has never been to a charter school.

So you think that minority parents and students that care about education are just idiots then? Because they actually choose to enroll in the charter schools. They aren't forced to go there. And the parents and kids that start crying in happiness when their ball is picked, they must just be ignorant dummies, right?

I'll tell you what why don't you talk to the parents that will tell you that the difference between their kid going to college and being at risk of going to jail is the pick of their ball, and you can tell that parent to their face that they are just stupid and naive.

So either go to college or you are at risk of going to jail?

You know, not everybody can have some highly specialized job that requires a lot of math/science education, at the expense of (mostly) everything else. Surely you recognize this.

Yet the problem, of course, is when those jobs are very well-paying while a mechanic, or musician, or artist, or *anything* that doesn't require a highly specialized and expensive education is increasingly paid less and less.

Furthermore, this is in a society that increasingly measures one's personal worth by their net worth. So the people who make a sh*load of money are "winners", and everyone else is a "loser", and you only have yourself to blame if you're a "loser".

What kind of a society is that? And why anyone, even those who benefit the most from it (an increasingly elite and small group, proportionate to the population), would want that society is beyond me.

[Wonkish1]

So either go to college or you are at risk of going to jail?

You know, not everybody can have some highly specialized job that requires a lot of math/science education, at the expense of (mostly) everything else. Surely you recognize this.

Yet the problem, of course, is when those jobs are very well-paying while a mechanic, or musician, or artist, or *anything* that doesn't require a highly specialized and expensive education is increasingly paid less and less.

Furthermore, this is in a society that increasingly measures one's personal worth by their net worth. So the people who make a sh*load of money are "winners", and everyone else is a "loser", and you only have yourself to blame if you're a "loser".

What kind of a society is that? And why anyone, even those who benefit the most from it (an increasingly elite and small group, proportionate to the population), would want that society is beyond me.

I was paraphrasing quotes from intercity parents. They aren't my words they are theirs.

Look there is another thread created here decrying the large disparity in wealth between the wealthiest and everybody else. I actually think that is a real issue. Yet when you try to remedy that by advocating for things that would improve the incomes of impoverished people in the intercity then "your focusing too much on the roll of income and wealth in society". So it appears our would be friends on the left don't really care about about improving the financial success of poor people if that actually means things like tougher schools and more work.

I don't consider the wealthy "winners" and the poor "losers", but I actually care about issues of poverty and the disgusting cycle of poverty in the intercity. But apparently when the chips are down many on the left including yourself don't really care.

[All Along The Watchtower]

So either go to college or you are at risk of going to jail?

You know, not everybody can have some highly specialized job that requires a lot of math/science education, at the expense of (mostly) everything else. Surely you recognize this.

Yet the problem, of course, is when those jobs are very well-paying while a mechanic, or musician, or artist, or *anything* that doesn't require a highly specialized and expensive education is increasingly paid less and less.

Furthermore, this is in a society that increasingly measures one's personal worth by their net worth. So the people who make a sh*load of money are "winners", and everyone else is a "loser", and you only have yourself to blame if you're a "loser".

What kind of a society is that? And why anyone, even those who benefit the most from it (an increasingly elite and small group, proportionate to the population), would want that society is beyond me.

I was paraphrasing quotes from intercity parents. They aren't my words they are theirs.

Look there is another thread created here decrying the large disparity in wealth between the wealthiest and everybody else. I actually think that is a real issue. Yet when you try to remedy that by advocating for things that would improve the incomes of impoverished people in the intercity then "your focusing too much on the roll of income and wealth in society". So it appears our would be friends on the left don't really care about about improving the financial success of poor people if that actually means things like tougher schools and more work.

I don't consider the wealthy "winners" and the poor "losers", but I actually care about issues of poverty and the disgusting cycle of poverty in the intercity. But apparently when the chips are down many on the left including yourself don't really care.

The reason I don't like the things you advocate is because only a small number of people would actually ever break out of poverty under those things. And more and more people would be left behind. It's social Darwinism, plain and simple, applied to education and employment.

Attack the roots of poverty, which is the economic system that makes a few people rich at the expense of most everyone else.

[Wonkish1]

The reason I don't like the things you advocate is because only a small number of people would actually ever break out of poverty under those things. And more and more people would be left behind. It's social Darwinism, plain and simple, applied to education and employment.

Please explain!

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

While I agree that there should be more to school than tooling someone to make money; I value the idea of arts, music, & gym classes (not the existence--in my school they're horrible, at least the arts, but I'm sure somewhere else they're actually useful). But at the same time, I don't need school to learn a fu[/u]cking hobby.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Ah, so you like the idea of the Arts, but not the Arts in practice?

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

Ah, so you like the idea of the Arts, but not the Arts in practice?

I'm sure somewhere, they're actually useful & will teach something. However, at Our Lady of the Lakes Catholic school, my most productive & creative part of the class was the last two weeks where I was free to churn out whatever the Hell I wanted & not what our idiot teacher (who incidentally, cause this school's so damn poor, is a public school teacher assigned here by the district) told us to do.

[Free Palestine]

The entire public education system in the U.S. is retarded.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Ah, so you like the idea of the Arts, but not the Arts in practice?

I'm sure somewhere, they're actually useful & will teach something. However, at Our Lady of the Lakes Catholic school, my most productive & creative part of the class was the last two weeks where I was free to churn out whatever the Hell I wanted & not what our idiot teacher (who incidentally, cause this school's so damn poor, is a public school teacher assigned here by the district) told us to do.

Ah, Found Verse.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

The entire public education system in the U.S. is retarded.

So speaks one of the sharper tools in the great shed that is the Atlas Forum.

[All Along The Watchtower]

The entire public education system in the U.S. is retarded.

So speaks one of the sharper tools in the great shed that is the Atlas Forum.

Zing!

[Wonkish1]

The reason I don't like the things you advocate is because only a small number of people would actually ever break out of poverty under those things. And more and more people would be left behind. It's social Darwinism, plain and simple, applied to education and employment.

Please explain!

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