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« on: September 18, 2012, 06:11:32 PM »



Democrats still have a problem winning and resonating in these states. Question is why?


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« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2012, 06:14:07 PM »

A good Democrat could break through that in 2016 or 2020. AZ, MO, MT, and maybe even GA could be flipped.
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« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2012, 06:20:28 PM »

A good Democrat could break through that in 2016 or 2020. AZ, MO, MT, and maybe even GA could be flipped.

22 STATES thats potentially 44 senators. Yes democrats win senate seats but its becoming harder as seats become open.

Just don't think the democrats have a strategy to win here. It seems more hope
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« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2012, 06:24:06 PM »

I'm not sure in all cases, but GA & SC have no statewide races this year (Well, GA does have a PSC seat open, but meh). Hence no real polling in these states. Both are also thought to be somewhat safe for Romney, although I'm keeping an eye on GA - especially with the recent Romney implosion.
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« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2012, 06:31:42 PM »

Thats just the states Obama can't win. Conservatives have painted Obama sooo liberal that those states wont give Obama a chance.
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« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2012, 06:37:38 PM »

Thats just the states Obama can't win. Conservatives have painted Obama sooo liberal that those states wont give Obama a chance.

Since 2000, democrats have only defeated 3 incumbent republicans. Alaska, Montana and Missouri.

I think saying its an Obama problem is the initial rational. However, looking at the evidence democrats have a serious problem. It is becoming a coastal party that can't win statewide races in the McCain states. 
 
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« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2012, 06:43:33 PM »

Thats just the states Obama can't win. Conservatives have painted Obama sooo liberal that those states wont give Obama a chance.

Since 2000, democrats have only defeated 3 incumbent republicans. Alaska, Montana and Missouri.

I think saying its an Obama problem is the initial rational. However, looking at the evidence democrats have a serious problem. It is becoming a coastal party that can't win statewide races in the McCain states. 
 

You don't need to outswim the shark; you just need to outswim your friend. Yes, becoming a coastal party does not seem like a good fate for Democrats; but considering that this is the red wall:



The Democrats' predicament seems to be mainly an obstacle for long-term control of the Senate; the growing population of the red region means the Republicans face a steeper obstacle for long-term control of the House and the Presidency.
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« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2012, 06:49:54 PM »

Thats just the states Obama can't win. Conservatives have painted Obama sooo liberal that those states wont give Obama a chance.

Since 2000, democrats have only defeated 3 incumbent republicans. Alaska, Montana and Missouri.
I think saying its an Obama problem is the initial rational. However, looking at the evidence democrats have a serious problem. It is becoming a coastal party that can't win statewide races in the McCain states. 

Do you refer "incumbents Republicans in Republican states"? Because, beside those 3, we could add Santorum, DeWine, Chaffe, Allen, Smith, Coleman, Dole and Shaheen.
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« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2012, 08:07:42 PM »

The conventional wisdom had been that pretty much any Republican nominated this year would see at minimum a 5 point swing in the margin.  That would effectively have put out of the running any pickups save Missouri and Montana out of reach as that would have required a greater than 10 point trend in the margin for those states to overcome.  That sort of trend doesn't happen too much and there usually is some reason for it beyond random chance.  If the national poll numbers continue to move closer to those of 2008, we'll some some of these states be polled more often.  The state I really want to see polled is Tennessee.  The pre-GOP primary polling there was suggestive of that state having a considerable trend towards Obama this year.  If Romney collapses so much that Obama has a chance of improving on his 2008 national numbers, then Tennessee could be a possible pickup.  Not that I think either necessary condition has much chance of happening, but Obama winning Tennessee is not impossible, just very highly improbable
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« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2012, 08:12:41 PM »

Yes, it is the Republican floor, and there's not much polling because it's very unlikely that Pres. Obama will carry any of those states.
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« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2012, 08:15:39 PM »

Thats just the states Obama can't win. Conservatives have painted Obama sooo liberal that those states wont give Obama a chance.

Since 2000, democrats have only defeated 3 incumbent republicans. Alaska, Montana and Missouri.

I think saying its an Obama problem is the initial rational. However, looking at the evidence democrats have a serious problem. It is becoming a coastal party that can't win statewide races in the McCain states. 
 

Mark Pryor defeated a Republican incumbent in 2002.
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