2024 Third Party and Independent Candidate General discussion

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I still have no idea why P&F didn’t order their members to run under the Green party banner like most of the other trots do outside of California.

Anyway I am happy that something is being done, but this isn’t enough. The P&F need to swallow their pride and beg for all the other parties to come back—FSP, WWP, and more. Like, get on their knees begging that they made mistakes and they’ll give the parties in question whatever they want. They also need to balance it out, the PSL while getting better shouldn’t be the only people they are running. Where’s the Ray O Light people and everyone else that made it better. Heck, they should start begging for the FTP and RCP people to start running on their banner. They have gotten better at this with finally running Lucha De Clase recently.

The Green party needs to do the same and start cleansing themselves. Give SPUSA, Margaret Flowers, and Ajamu Baraka the wheels of power and shift left. Start enforcing Democratic Centralism and kick the liberal holdouts out.

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according to Cam Gordon’s concession speech, Worlobah is a member of SAlt. This gives them two officeholders as of right now, one councilors in Minneapolis and Kshama Sawant as the other

New York bans parties naming themselves with the words independent or independence. Wonder if California will soon adopt this law.

The ASP is running Oliver Black for Wa-3 and Abernathy for Texas Governor.

https://mobile.twitter.com/AmericaElige/status/1537044444293517312?cxt=HHwWgMDSo...

One of the rare few polls that show at least two third party or independent candidates for US elections.

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SWP and Alliance trying to get on MN ballot. Libertarians and Greens are not going to submit an attempt.

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So IPR has gone to sh!t lately with the new owners driving the site to the ground. All the good contributors have left the site and comments have been suppressed. The user interface is awful and they haven’t posted anything good.

BAN has gone through similar hurdles with comment censorship. Sad to see such great commentary go away.

American 3rd party report is offline and most likely gone for good.

All of this over butthurt from losing a convention.

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Draft The Rock, H. Ross Perot Jr., and Ye

No one wants this

Stateboiler, I know you have close connections with George Phillies, please for the love of god bring us the old IPR back. The new look is godawful and it isn’t fun to have the regulars s•••post. I and this thread got great pieces of information from that site and it isn’t worth it now with the current censorship. I am not going to go to twitter and get all that drama, sifting through everything is far too much work.

On BAN I get Winger’s position on this, that saint, but at least give me my daily funnies back.

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Greens on the ballot in New Mexico
Someone does the math in the comments about vote transferability between the third parties and the Democrats

In other words, a Republican’s 2nd choice is a Right Wing party over the Libertarian Party.
A Democrat’s 2nd choice is the Libertarian Party over a Right Wing party.

Libertarians increase their voter registration by .09% in Nebraska, .08 in Maryland per BAN

The newly formed Working Class party is set to surpass the Green party if they keep growing the way they are now according to BAN. Their voter registration totals increased by .06%. While the Greens only increased by .02%. Another .06% and they would be neck-and-neck in vote totals. The WCP is a vanguard party following democratic centralism, so their membership is more engaged than the Greens which is a mass party. This is immensely embarrassing as the current major leader of the GNC, Margaret Flowers, lives in Maryland.
The PSL is leading massive abortion rights protests, well, everywhere. It would be immensely time consuming to list them all, so I suggest you take a look on their Twitter and the Abortion section of Liberation News.
The ASP isn’t really doing anything atm and not much has appeared to be newsworthy outside of stuff I mentioned prior, so here’s a tweet of something other than saying cheese in a respectable fashion or anti-abortion posts
https://twitter.com/AmSolidarity/status/1543227845518016513?cxt=HHwWgoC-uZLj0uoq...

It should be noted that one of their major supporters, Howard Ahmarson, is a prior member of the Chalcedon foundation which is against the legality of divorce. Member Rod Dreher meanwhile is a simp for Francoist Spain and has a history of unsavory comments on transgender people and African Americans. Among a list of other people
The Alliance party is running Hugh Mctavish for Minnesota Governor

The messaging they have now is all feel good platitudes.

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The workers party is going to be on the ballot for US House in Illinois, the only left wing party to do so. Very embarrassing to the Greens and PSL for failing to get on the ballot.

Libertarians have successfully gotten on the ballot for a variety of positions as well.

Aloha Ainu and the Green Party have primaries going on in Hawai’i.

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Greens hosting their annual meeting

LNC going to have their 2024 convention in Washington

Moderate party going to run for house in Rhode Island

Ok, I’m sort of concerned with how the PSL is tagging along with the P&F for a possible #LeftUnity ticket. The Green Party is a mess of its own and we’ve seen that the moderate faction will up and steal the momentum and votes if not treaded lightly. The PSL needs to be very careful in getting both the maximum from any hypothetical partnership and in maintaining independence in messaging and campaigning if things go south. Ballot access and not running doesn’t come easy.

The secretary running IPR has next to no idea what she is doing. They’re stuck to making unnecessary empty threads to generate more ad revenue instead of making the site better. They’ve lost a ton of contributors writing articles and are stuck with complete rejects like E pluribus spamming plagiarized biographies from Wikipedia.

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George Phillies, in his quest of purging information to be lost to time, has destroyed American Third Party Watch and all its old articles. Incredible, just incredible how far his destructive reach is.

The last place whose memo is focusing on third parties and which hasn’t collapsed is Am3rdpartywatch, and with George Phillies quest on destroying everything, that isn’t sacred for much longer.

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So recently it has come to light to me that the Green party’s DC branch is led by a black conservative. Dear god this explains why they go nowhere in that city. The fact that so much of the Green party’s local affiliates are led by awful lords treating the party like a personal fiefdom is why the party continuously fails to maintain local gains in the face of state pressure. Even with many of the worst elements leaving in 2020, the fact that this guy and the Colorado branch still hasn’t been dealt with is a sore spot on the party’s long term reliability.

The PSL doesn’t have this problem and neither do most other of the Green party’s allies on account of being somewhere on the scale of utilizing democratic centralism and vanguardism.

The Green party needs to bite the bullet and start cleaning up shop completely instead of letting these tumors fester. They can regain ballot access in a lot of these states.

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On what should have been a joyous day, John Resenbrink, Green party cofounder, is dead at 94

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Hawai’i results

Status in Vermont

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IPR is claiming that the Greens have 60% higher membership than the LP at 25,000. Where they got this number is uncertain, as back in the 2000s their membership was at 10,000 or so. That they grew during this time is a surprise given poor electoral status’s. Take in mind that if this is true, all the socialist parties that have like a few hundred members scattered nationwide do much better than the greens. The PSL and P&F have like 3-4k paying members at best, and got 1/4 of the green total in 2020 prez. Socialist Alternative has 1000+ members scattered across the country, and have gotten better gains than them.

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IPR is claiming that the Greens have 60% higher membership than the LP at 25,000. Where they got this number is uncertain, as back in the 2000s their membership was at 10,000 or so. That they grew during this time is a surprise given poor electoral status’s. Take in mind that if this is true, all the socialist parties that have like a few hundred members scattered nationwide do much better than the greens. The PSL and P&F have like 3-4k paying members at best, and got 1/4 of the green total in 2020 prez. Socialist Alternative has 1000+ members scattered across the country, and have gotten better gains than them.

Could be lies

Yes, but from who? Because I doubt they have more than 7-8k dues paying members.

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Left Unity in striking distance to surpass the Libertarians in the rolls

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Left Unity in striking distance to surpass the Libertarians in the rolls

Still about half unless you want to combine Peace and Freedom and the Greens, and tf is going on in that comment section

Indeed that was where I was going for.

That comment section is what happens when you tolerate republicans on the internet.

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Indeed that was where I was going for.

Greens + smaller and regional left-wing parties + Progressive Democrats would be a strong start for a center-to-left-wing third-party, but have there been any actual steps toward left unity?

I expect the “Alliance” between the Green-Socialist+ and P&F+ alliances to continue well within 2024

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Looking at prior disasters of grand alliances–Italy, Hungary, Bulgaria–and even with broad "left alliances"–Sweden (in all but name), Serbia, Croatia, and most pertinently France–is having the blocs be united seamlessly without proper debate and demarcation of boundaries worth it? The Green Party has unjustly pulled candidates out of Oregon, Florida, and won't run anyone in Illinois out of appeasing democrats and hoping they don't retaliate. Maybe having multiple lists and letting the best ideas come up top is the right way, as was the case in 2020 where voters wanted parties that represented their interests and put forth ideas that signaled a turn towards being worker oriented with a platform representing the society they want to live in.

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https://twitter.com/ThompsonForSC/status/1585000307461083136?cxt=HHwWgMDS8bjYhv8...
https://twitter.com/AmSolidarity/status/1589754850719707136?cxt=HHwWgMDR0aTn-I8s...
https://twitter.com/ShaneHoffmanUSA/status/1589735711540146177?cxt=HHwWgsDT0Z6N8...
Green party candidates
Working Class candidates
PA Keystone candidates
Maine
Florida by county
Oklahoma
Iowa
Massachusetts
Califonia makes being an independent state candidate impossible with 219,403 signatures needed

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So 13 candidates running for the greens are uncontested. They are

Bruce Delgado, Mayor, Marina, Monterrey County, California (elected incumbent, 2008-to present)

Miguel Guillen

James King

Mike Stewart

Robert ‘Bob’ Wichert,

Ronnie Odneal

John Bailey

Fred McCann

Daniel Kramer

Don Alexander

Anna Robin

Joyce Robinson-Paul

Kimory Orendoff

The Green party is thus running contested races in 27 other races

Competitive races won:

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The Utah branch of American solidarity had its endorsement of Evan Mcmullin revoked by the national leadership, still think it’s a nice guy, FF party atlas?

Left voice gave a last second endorsement to the WCP

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At the very minimum, out of the contested races, the greens will gain a net +1

They’ve established ballot access in a net of +2 states, they aren’t ballot qualified in Maryland at this moment however.

Barrios underperformed immensely in Texas, especially given that the other statewide candidates got almost double the votes to the surprise of no one. In Florida, they did well in a Trump district and would have done well overall statewide if they didn’t sabotage the candidates campaign.
ASP got around ~1000 votes in Texas
The Reform party is practicing fusionism and won a race
The constitution party continues it’s decline with a loss of ballot access in Missouri
Libertarians had a great night in many regards, but that info will be sent to the appropriate thread
The SWP WP, and WCP results, the overachievers they have been, will be posted shortly
 

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Greens don’t have a positive net ballot access showing this election, and they’re set to lose two seats. Libertarians won bigly in being the only major party with gains in that arena

Wikipedia finally updated their tallies for the right officeholders per party:
Libertarian: 302
Green 136
Constitution: 20–with Wikipedia finally calling them a minor party

I mean, this election was very much one based on trends. Greens having a mixed bag in terms of performance since the splits, Libertarians winning huge downballot, constitution dying, and a whole lot of newcomers performing amicably. The only other things of note is the ASP underperforming their presidential totals by a lot for governor and alliance doing poorly outside of perennial strength in Minnesota.

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The Green papers provides some excellent analysis

Some highlights for house:

Libertarian+ 84 candidates    723957votes   0.81%   $235,338 spent per FEC
Green + 5   candidates    63966  0.05%   $21,996
Working Class 8       52,446   0.05%   $1,061
LMN 4       46,453   0.05%   $39,746
Constitution+ 11.  40249   0.05%   $35000
United Utah   Other Third Party   2       29000   0.02%   $120,090
Socialist Workers Party   Other Third Party   3       14,270   0.01%   


Senate:
Libertarian   Libertarian   20       678,224   0.90%   $324,701
Green+   Green   4       83000   0.11%   $160,013
Democratic-Nonpartisan League   Democratic   1       59,804   0.08%   $92,623
No Party Affiliation   Independent   2       49,194   0.07%   $76,235
Progressive Party of Oregon   Other Third Party   1       31,648   0.04%   
Keystone   Other Third Party   1       26,217   0.03%   
LaRouche   Other Third Party   1       25,707   0.03%   $310,861
Constitution   Constitution   2       23,005   0.03%   $3,140
Pacific Green   Green   1       19,937   0.03%   
Unity   Other Third Party   1       15,800   0.02%   
Independent American   Other Third Party   2       15,244   0.02%   
None of these candidates   Others   1       12,077   0.02%   
Approval Voting   Other Third Party   1       11,074   0.01%   
Aloha 'Āina   Other Third Party   1       2,189   0.00%   
Green Mountain   Other Third Party   1       1,569   0.00%   

Governor:
Libertarian   Libertarian   24       652,159   0.79%
Green   Green   4       75,558   0.09%
Legal Marijuana Now   Other Third Party   1       29,435   0.04%
Grassroots - Legalize Cannabis   Other Third Party   1       22,604   0.03%
American Constitution   Constitution   1       21,120   0.03%
Keystone   Other Third Party   1       20,290   0.02%
Independence-Alliance   Other Third Party   1       18,156   0.02%
Constitution+   3.             28000   0.03%
Working Class   Independent   1       15,072   0.02%
Liberation   Other Third Party   1       8,154   0.01%
Socialist Workers Party   Other Third Party   1       7,240   0.01%
Unity   Other Third Party   1       6,388   0.01%
Natural Law   Other Third Party   1       4,954   0.01%

Rough math was applied and I combined totals for the big three if they aligned with local partners.

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LMN got 30% of the vote in statewide Nebraska race

Well, it has found a backup base area when Minnesota legalizes weed.

The workers party was also a huge winner
https://independentpoliticalreport.com/2022/11/massachusetts-workers-party-candidates-receive-over-50000-total-votes-in-november-midterms/