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[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

What else do you expect from someone who spends their time around ex-dengists in echo-chamber discords. This is the Trumpification of the Atlasian left.

They will spread enough "its okay", "your focused on the past", "it's fine, don't worry about", "you are just paranoid", until one of them can ride the numbers into the White House with the help of a good bit of wishful thinking, naivety and newer folks unaware of what happened and/or convinced it was no big deal. Part and parcel to this is seizing on anything that can make the current people look bad and vindicate those that came before in spite of their heinous actions (sound familiar, it should).

Spark is low hanging fruit in this sense. Sure he has made mistakes, the question is how he takes advice and improves his operation going forward (improving communication etc). I made a number of mistakes my first two months as PPT, but I was given the chance to get better and I was constantly trying to fix and improve things, both in terms of what I was doing and in terms of the rules.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

This is the Trumpification of the Atlasian left.

Funniest thing I’ve read all day.

When you insist on maintaining the ability of the President to hijack an election via executive order for bs reasons, you get what you deserve.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

This is the Trumpification of the Atlasian left.

Funniest thing I’ve read all day.

When you insist on maintaining the ability of the President to hijack an election via executive order for bs reasons, you get what you deserve.

I'll say it again, you have no credibility on any claim of the left being Trumpist until you purge all 1/6 supporters from your party. I want to hear nothing more on this as long as your party is still supporting people like DeadPrez and Mr. Reactionary.

If you are concerned about Mr. R and Deadprez, then pass the restraints that will protect us from everyone now and in the future from abuse. That is what the constitutional amendment was for.

This is a ridiculous counter argument that acts as if my amendment only restricts laborites.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

This is the Trumpification of the Atlasian left.

Funniest thing I’ve read all day.

When you insist on maintaining the ability of the President to hijack an election via executive order for bs reasons, you get what you deserve.

I'll say it again, you have no credibility on any claim of the left being Trumpist until you purge all 1/6 supporters from your party. I want to hear nothing more on this as long as your party is still supporting people like DeadPrez and Mr. Reactionary.

Neither of the people you listed supported 1/6.

You actively look part in and to this day continue to defend the Atlasian equivalent of 1/6. Let us know when you're ready to apologize.

Did Joe Biden win the 2020 election? Did Donald Trump attempt to overturn the 2020 election? Did Donald Trump incite a mob to go and attack the Capitol to overturn the 2020 election? Did Donald Trump pressure Mike Pence to overturn the 2020 election? Did the vast majority of congressional Republicans vote against finding out what really happened on 1/6?


I'm waiting....

I have literally never posted anything that has even suggested I supported 1/6.

Then answer the questions

Why don't you answer the question. Why does "potential fears of abuse by conservatives" justify blocking the reforms that would protect us from everyone and anyone attempting to abuse the Presidency to steal an election?  You should be wanting this if you are concerned about that.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

What I have said in the past is that this unnecessarily weakens the executive branch, which it seems your side seems destined to do further by abolishing Chevron deference. All this will do is gut the executive branch for no real gain. If an administration goes rogue, a tool for that exists: impeachment. If people truly want to steal an election and they have the support to do it, they will resort to other means. Even if this amendment passes, any rogue President with a Senate majority could just pack the Supreme Court with lackeys and overturn an election. Not to mention that the whole purpose of the Cabinet is to serve at the leisure of the president, if the president goes rogue, the Cabinet members have an obligation to resign.

The GM is not part of the cabinet for example. The SoFE and RG historically were constitutionally derived pre-reset along with the rest of the cabinet by accident. Your argument holds water if this were SoIA or SoS, but not with the elections officers and we have already decided one function is "outside the cabinet" already because of previous Presidential overreach and conflicts of interest. Can there be any position where this criteria fits more than the ones who administer the President's election?

If the GM can be independent of the cabinet, so can the SoFE and the RG.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

During his speech at the ellipse he literally said they would "walk down to the capitol."

Yes. How is that inciting a mob to attack the Capitol? Walking down to the Capitol isnt imminent lawless action.

If you really want to play this game, when he was informed that people were chanting "Hang Mike Pence," he said "maybe Mike Pence should be hung." Also, what should be noted is he resisted telling the rioters to go home for hours and resisted sending in the National Guard. Also people came to his rally with weapons and he wanted them to be let in, because he "knew they weren't there for [him]." He told them that you "can't take back your country with weakness." He had been telling his supporters for weeks to come to Washington on the 6th and even said, "it will be wild." It takes maybe a kindergartener to put 2+2 together, you're a grown man, I know you don't lack critical thinking skills. When the evidence is put before you, and you have none, you should be changing your opinion and siding with the evidence.

And in Atlasia, a President just has to sign an executive order and they count the votes. No attack on the capital needed. A dynamic you voted to preserve because of Mr. R and Deadprez won't condemn 1/6.

That is like voting to keep lead in gasoline because the oil company won't condemn the effects of lead on people, and because gasoline contributes to global warming and banning lead doesn't solve those also. 

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Even if this amendment passes, any rogue President with a Senate majority could just pack the Supreme Court with lackeys and overturn an election.

Does anyone who has bothered to read our constitution want to tell me why this isn't possible?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

During his speech at the ellipse he literally said they would "walk down to the capitol."

Yes. How is that inciting a mob to attack the Capitol? Walking down to the Capitol isnt imminent lawless action.

If you really want to play this game, when he was informed that people were chanting "Hang Mike Pence," he said "maybe Mike Pence should be hung." Also, what should be noted is he resisted telling the rioters to go home for hours and resisted sending in the National Guard. Also people came to his rally with weapons and he wanted them to be let in, because he "knew they weren't there for [him]." He told them that you "can't take back your country with weakness." He had been telling his supporters for weeks to come to Washington on the 6th and even said, "it will be wild." It takes maybe a kindergartener to put 2+2 together, you're a grown man, I know you don't lack critical thinking skills. When the evidence is put before you, and you have none, you should be changing your opinion and siding with the evidence.

None of what you said is particulary persuasive that incitement happened. Crimes have definitions. If you dont meet the definition, you arent a criminal.

Okay so a question, who exactly were they coming with weapons for, if not Trump? Why were people assembled in Washington on the day of the Joint Session of Congress? What is very clear is that there is only one logical place that was their target, especially given that Trump was still trying to overturn the election, and that is the Capitol Building. So, I think it's basically certain that any reasonable observer can deduce that they were going to the Capitol. Now, considering that he knew that were people with riot gear and weapons in the crowd and told them to march to the Capitol, what did he think would happen? Like seriously? What do you think would've happened? No no no no no, they obviously came to the Ellipse in riot gear and with guns just because they wanted to, there was never any plan for violence, no no no, they just dress like that normally. Is this what you're seriously going to argue?

I don't know if you just don't pay attention or you're just ignoring this for your silly argument, but Republican rallies have people carrying weapons all the time. Its not exactly something out of the ordinary, especially in an outside, not enclosed setting.

Pretending they just came for the rally is quite disingenuous. Also this still doesn't explain why they were in riot gear? It's clear some people came prepared for a fight.

So because of your petty beefs with Mr. R and Fhtagn, along with failure to read Article V, Atlasians have to live in perpetual fear of the President's pen?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Why isn't every time S019 does something ridiculous, it is some combination of fhtagn/Mr. R/Deadprez made me do it because they said/did x,y,z?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Fun fact: The only party to try to pull off something like January 6th in Atlasia is the Labor Party

Nothing like January 6th has ever been attempted by the Labor Party. Unless the GM has simulated a riot of Labor supporting NPCs at the Capitol in Nyman, although I’m not aware that he has.

If I can find a post in thirty seconds that contradicts it it's not a very good lie.

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There will be a rally on Friday in Nashville at the Southern capital for all patriots who support ELECTION INTEGRITY and LAW and ORDER to make their voices heard!

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And spare me the "but it's not in Nyman" please, if I crack an egg into a frying pan and fry it with butter it's an omelette no matter where I make it.

The format and wording of this post makes clear that it satirizes the members of your party who did and in fact still do (in this very thread) defend the attempts by Donald Trump to overturn a free and fair election which culminated in a violent attack on the Capitol and a mob which chanted “Hang Mike Pence.” The satire here is that many in your party supported the real life version of these events yet they claim it is unrelated and care more about a game. Oh well, the modern right only has itself to blame, they have themselves to blame for embracing Goldwater and Reagan, which got them here. You reap what you sow, as they say. The only unfortunate thing here is that the 50% of us who didn’t actually vote for this mess now have to live it through. We have to live through it despite the fact that Hillary Clinton won the popular vote and the fact that without gerrymandering, the House likely would’ve been much closer given Republicans only won the NPV by 1. I think we need to discuss real issues like this and discuss the radicalism on your side and how an antiquated electoral system enables it. We could also talk about the hypocrisy on the right over the focus on Clinton’s emails but nothing about Trump’s shady business dealings, but I need to log off now, as it’s late, but I’m happy to debate this in the morning.

And right now in real life, there is a bipartisan effort to try and block the means by which that overturning was attempted, reforming the electoral vote act or whatever it is called. Obviously, Trumpists are blocking that.

However, in this game, we had a bipartisan amendment by which to address some of the issues that were being utilized back in April to hijack our own election. Who are the ones blocking it here? It isn't Deadprez and Mr. R. Its you and your friends.

In real life, the case is obvious that Trumpists want to do it again. What does that imply for you guys here in this game?

Abuse of power is the same. It isn't more or less justified by who did it first, who did it elsewhere, or whether it was to "make a statement". A crook is a crook, a hijacking is a hijacking and an obstructionist is still an obstructionist. Its very clear which side you have chosen to be on.