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krazen1211
Junior Chimp
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« on: June 08, 2012, 10:44:57 PM »

This country already has far more teachers than it needed during the Clinton administration.
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krazen1211
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2012, 10:49:18 PM »

On social media. It went up on Twitter and Facebook ~5 hours ago. Here's the Facebook picture:




Romney economics = Lower state/local taxes on the hard working American people!

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krazen1211
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« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2012, 12:06:51 PM »
« Edited: June 09, 2012, 12:09:09 PM by krazen1211 »

This country already has far more teachers than it needed during the Clinton administration.

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Have you stepped in a High School classroom? A Middle school classroom? An Elementary school classroom? Have you seen the overcrowding which is prevalent in American schools? Overcrowding which is a result of what seems like unending teacher cuts. Are you aware 32+ kids per classroom is not an optimal learning environment for the kids or an optimal teaching environment for the instructor? The quality of the instructor could be pure gold and it would still be wasted and diminished on a class size too large. Large class sizes put more work (and investment of their own cash into the classroom!) for less pay per teacher. Less one-on-one student/teacher interaction occurs: to the great loss of the student.

We do not have too many teachers; it is not a problem of having too few "quality" teachers. There are many quality teachers, and the more the merrier, but one of the fundamental problems in our schools is not having enough teachers for the kids.

I would advise you to not make another ignorant post on the topic of American education unless you education yourself first.

Well now we know you're full of crap, because student:teacher ratios are roughly 15.5:1 in the United States, and at worst 25.3:1 in your own state.

http://nces.ed.gov/pubs2010/2010309/tables/table_04.asp

I would advise you to not make another ignorant post on the topic of American education unless you education yourself first.
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krazen1211
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2012, 12:08:17 PM »
« Edited: June 09, 2012, 12:10:31 PM by krazen1211 »

2 bad statements - it will even out.

This is June, don't expect it to make any impact.

Do you even think this will get that much media attention? On Real Clear Politics, it isn't a story anywhere. Not even on the aggregated content. We've established that their original content is biased trash (if you need any proof just check out this week's coverage), but it is troubling that it isn't trending elsewhere.


Romney economics = Lower state/local taxes on the hard working American people!

Sign me up!

Seriously? That isn't how most people will take this. When people's houses burn down cause the firefighter squad was too understaffed to get there on time, when crime escalates cause the police force is lacking, when local education systems start failing due to underfunding, when potholes don't get filled, streets don't get plowed, and sewage systems start breaking down, you'll know where people will point the blame.

Of course you just made all that up, as none of that happened in excess during the Clinton administration.

We need to reduce the teaching rolls roughly 18% or so to return to those numbers.
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krazen1211
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2012, 02:20:27 PM »
« Edited: June 09, 2012, 02:24:39 PM by krazen1211 »

Student/teacher ratio and class size aren't identical unless you're in a one-room school house.

No, but the average class size in the United States isn't anywhere near 32, either. And its certainly not even close to being true in Virginia, either.

http://nces.ed.gov/surveys/sass/tables/sass0708_2009324_t1s_08.asp



But I'm not a liberal who makes up garbage. Incidentally Utah has very cheap education costs because they reduced costs by reducing labor forces.
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krazen1211
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« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2012, 06:49:02 PM »

It's really funny to see the amusing nonsense from Obama, especially given these facts.


http://www.commonwealthfoundation.org/policyblog/detail/pa-public-school-staff-grows-as-enrollment-declines


One of the drivers of higher spending is an increase in staff sizes while enrollment has declined. Data from the PA Department of Education indicates that from 1999-2000 to 2008-09 the state has seen a 12 percent increase in public school staff and a 1 percent decline in enrollment. Pennsylvania schools added 17,345 professional staff and 15,582 support staff over this time, while enrollment declined by 26,960.





Of course, now Obama is whining that Pennsylvania got rid of a mere 9000 teachers. Looks like they have a ways to go still.
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krazen1211
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« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2012, 10:13:12 AM »

This country already has far more teachers than it needed during the Clinton administration.

Tell that to my 30 person AP English class that's so packed we needed extra desks.

The random occasional classroom had 30 students during the Clinton administration too. Make due.
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