Only 36% of Republicans think it’s important couples with children should be married

[OSR stands with Israel]

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This a pretty doomer poll

[Ferguson97]

This a pretty doomer poll

I don't really see what's bad about it.

[OSR stands with Israel]

This a pretty doomer poll

I don't really see what's bad about it.

The core of social conservatism should be about the  nuclear family yet a majority of conservatives now no longer thing that’s important

[GregTheGreat657]

This a pretty doomer poll

I don't really see what's bad about it.

Children with unmarried parents tend to have worse outcomes than those with married parents

[MRS DONNA SHALALA]

This a pretty doomer poll

I don't really see what's bad about it.

The core of social conservatism should be about the  nuclear family yet a majority of conservatives now no longer thing that’s important

That's sort of what happens when you build your whole movement around a serial adulterer who has kids from multiple relationships.

[Ferguson97]

This a pretty doomer poll

I don't really see what's bad about it.

The core of social conservatism should be about the  nuclear family yet a majority of conservatives now no longer thing that’s important

Yeah because modern social conservatism is all about owning the libs.

[TheReckoning]

This a pretty doomer poll

I don't really see what's bad about it.

Children with unmarried parents tend to have worse outcomes than those with married parents

This is a very important point that will be ignored in the name of “oWn ThE sOcCoNs”

[Suburbia]

Young Republicans don't care about gay marriage anymore and co-inhabitation or whatever you call this...

Abortion is the thing that social conservatives care about.

[Bootes Void]

This a pretty doomer poll

I don't really see what's bad about it.

Children with unmarried parents tend to have worse outcomes than those with married parents

Is there a difference between two parent unmarried household and married households?

[Ferguson97]

This a pretty doomer poll

I don't really see what's bad about it.

Children with unmarried parents tend to have worse outcomes than those with married parents

This is a very important point that will be ignored in the name of “oWn ThE sOcCoNs”

Is there anything inherent about being legally married that leads to these outcomes, or is it that people who are unmarried with kids also tend to correlate with other stuff like lower income, etc?

[Thank you for being a friend...]

This is one of those "__% of Republicans are actually that not that conservative" polls that comes out every month.  

I'll believe it when they start voting for Republican candidates that actually believe what these polls claim the rank and file do.

[Del Tachi]

This a pretty doomer poll

I don't really see what's bad about it.

The core of social conservatism should be about the  nuclear family yet a majority of conservatives now no longer thing that’s important

The nuclear family (i.e., a married couple and their minor children under one roof) is relatively new as a normative model.  Nuclear families would not have been the unquestioned assumption they are today during pre-industrial times when most Americans lived on farms, for instance. 

[Aurelius]

Young Republicans don't care about gay marriage anymore and co-inhabitation or whatever you call this...

Abortion is the thing that social conservatives care about.

I support gay marriage and I also think it's important that couples with kids be married,  and that kids be born in wedlock.

It's not mutually exclusive.

I'm part of the 36%.

[OSR stands with Israel]

This a pretty doomer poll

I don't really see what's bad about it.

The core of social conservatism should be about the  nuclear family yet a majority of conservatives now no longer thing that’s important

The nuclear family (i.e., a married couple and their minor children under one roof) is relatively new as a normative model.  Nuclear families would not have been the unquestioned assumption they are today during pre-industrial times when most Americans lived on farms, for instance. 

Sure but weren’t joint families more common then

[Del Tachi]

This a pretty doomer poll

I don't really see what's bad about it.

The core of social conservatism should be about the  nuclear family yet a majority of conservatives now no longer thing that’s important

The nuclear family (i.e., a married couple and their minor children under one roof) is relatively new as a normative model.  Nuclear families would not have been the unquestioned assumption they are today during pre-industrial times when most Americans lived on farms, for instance. 

Sure but weren’t joint families more common then

Yeah exactly, that's the point.

Our conception of "family" is mostly dictated by broader economic and social trends.  The ideal that only one or two working adults could provide a comfortable, middle class upbringing to their children could have never taken hold without the postwar economic boom and the massive productivity gains that defined the 20th century.

[OSR stands with Israel]

This a pretty doomer poll

I don't really see what's bad about it.

The core of social conservatism should be about the  nuclear family yet a majority of conservatives now no longer thing that’s important

The nuclear family (i.e., a married couple and their minor children under one roof) is relatively new as a normative model.  Nuclear families would not have been the unquestioned assumption they are today during pre-industrial times when most Americans lived on farms, for instance. 

Sure but weren’t joint families more common then

Yeah exactly, that's the point.

Our conception of "family" is mostly dictated by broader economic and social trends.  The ideal that only one or two working adults could provide a comfortable, middle class upbringing to their children could have never taken hold without the postwar economic boom and the massive productivity gains that defined the 20th century.

Sure but then you need something to replace the previous system with, rather than just breaking the family structure up .


Like if there was a trend back to joint families then I wouldn’t say it is  bad but we aren’t having that

[Del Tachi]

This a pretty doomer poll

I don't really see what's bad about it.

The core of social conservatism should be about the  nuclear family yet a majority of conservatives now no longer thing that’s important

The nuclear family (i.e., a married couple and their minor children under one roof) is relatively new as a normative model.  Nuclear families would not have been the unquestioned assumption they are today during pre-industrial times when most Americans lived on farms, for instance. 

Sure but weren’t joint families more common then

Yeah exactly, that's the point.

Our conception of "family" is mostly dictated by broader economic and social trends.  The ideal that only one or two working adults could provide a comfortable, middle class upbringing to their children could have never taken hold without the postwar economic boom and the massive productivity gains that defined the 20th century.

Sure but then you need something to replace the previous system with, rather than just breaking the family structure up .


Like if there was a trend back to joint families then I wouldn’t say it is  bad but we aren’t having that

Well, the new system itself is reflective of certain realities:  fewer marriageable men due to high incarceration rates and less well-paying blue-collar work, a more robust social safety net for young children, women with young children not being very active/sought after in the marriage market, etc.  Start tinkering to change some of these things and you'll see the state of American family start to trend in a different direction.     

[DrScholl]

The random working class voters Republicans add to their base the less socially conservative these samples are going to become on issues like this. Not exactly everyone wants a family now and those who do don't all believe that a family has to look like "Leave It To Beaver".

Marriage isn't for everyone. Some couples are better off being together and not getting married. For some people marriage changes the feel of the relationship.

[Del Tachi]

Marriage isn't for everyone. Some couples are better off being together and not getting married. For some people marriage changes the feel of the relationship.

Marriage should change the feel of the relationship, lmao

[DrScholl]

Marriage isn't for everyone. Some couples are better off being together and not getting married. For some people marriage changes the feel of the relationship.

Marriage should change the feel of the relationship, lmao

That's not a good thing if it changes it for the worse.

[Big Abraham]

The random working class voters Republicans add to their base the less socially conservative these samples are going to become on issues like this. Not exactly everyone wants a family now and those who do don't all believe that a family has to look like "Leave It To Beaver".

Marriage isn't for everyone. Some couples are better off being together and not getting married. For some people marriage changes the feel of the relationship.

If you aren't prepared for the responsibility of at least taking on a common-law marriage, how could you be prepared for the responsibility of bearing children?

[ElectionsGuy]

This a pretty doomer poll

I don't really see what's bad about it.

The core of social conservatism should be about the  nuclear family yet a majority of conservatives now no longer thing that’s important

How many think it's important just not "very important" as the poll describes? To me, this means Republicans are getting less rigidly traditional (meaning: their branching out beyond their evangelical base), and perhaps more skeptical of the institution of marriage. But the idea that they're getting more anti-family is nonsensical. Having a family with kids is still preferred, but marriage isn't a neccesity for everyone.

[DrScholl]

The random working class voters Republicans add to their base the less socially conservative these samples are going to become on issues like this. Not exactly everyone wants a family now and those who do don't all believe that a family has to look like "Leave It To Beaver".

Marriage isn't for everyone. Some couples are better off being together and not getting married. For some people marriage changes the feel of the relationship.

If you aren't prepared for the responsibility of at least taking on a common-law marriage, how could you be prepared for the responsibility of bearing children?

That implies that you have to be married on paper to responsibly have children and that is not true. There are plenty of married people who are irresponsible parents or don't have the means to raise children. Marriage has nothing to do with properly raising children.

[Big Abraham]

The random working class voters Republicans add to their base the less socially conservative these samples are going to become on issues like this. Not exactly everyone wants a family now and those who do don't all believe that a family has to look like "Leave It To Beaver".

Marriage isn't for everyone. Some couples are better off being together and not getting married. For some people marriage changes the feel of the relationship.

If you aren't prepared for the responsibility of at least taking on a common-law marriage, how could you be prepared for the responsibility of bearing children?

That implies that you have to be married on paper to responsibly have children and that is not true. There are plenty of married people who are irresponsible parents or don't have the means to raise children. Marriage has nothing to do with properly raising children.

A common-law marriage is decidedly not a marriage on paper.

[Hammy]

This a pretty doomer poll

I don't really see what's bad about it.

Children with unmarried parents tend to have worse outcomes than those with married parents

Every such study I've seen focused specifically on divorced parents, as divorce is often traumatic especially for younger children, and growing up in a single parent household has it's own problems that come with it.

However, if both parents are present and simply never marry in the first place this point is moot.