Will Bernie Sanders be gracious in defeat?

[Lyin' Steve]

He's being just as gracious as the Clinton campaign was at this point in 2008.

Even if the two were in any way comparable (they're not), the key difference is that Hillary was solely fighting her opponent, Obama, while Bernie is fighting basically everyone who doesn't kiss his ass, actively working to block unity and trying to destroy the party's chances in November.

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He's being just as gracious as the Clinton campaign was at this point in 2008.

"I know Senator McCain has a lifetime of experience to the White House. And Senator Obama has a speech he gave in 2002." - Hillary in 2008

[Gass3268]

He's being just as gracious as the Clinton campaign was at this point in 2008.

Even if the two were in any way comparable (they're not), the key difference is that Hillary was solely fighting her opponent, Obama, while Bernie is fighting basically everyone who doesn't kiss his ass, actively working to block unity and trying to destroy the party's chances in November.

He really isn't. All he wants to do is make the process more open. Clinton did more damage to Obama and party unity with her pseudo-racist campaign in 2008 than Sanders has even come close to this year.

[Landslide Lyndon]

You know what's REALLY funny? For years the left-wingers were supporting closed primaries because they wanted the base to decide the nominee, not those wishy-washy centrist independents who could vote in (semi)open primaries.

But now suddenly, in one cycle, they have discovered how evil and undemocratic closed primaries are.

[Bleach Blonde Bad Built Butch Bodies for Biden]

You know what's REALLY funny? For years the left-wingers were supporting closed primaries because they wanted the base to decide the nominee, not those wishy-washy centrist independents who could vote in (semi)open primaries.

But now suddenly, in one cycle, they have discovered how evil and undemocratic closed primaries are.

Yes.  This changed after it was discovered that "centrist independents" are in the political graveyard.

[Xing]

Anyone who's not an anti-Sanders hack or a Trump dreamer will still say the answer is yes.

[IceSpear]

He's being just as gracious as the Clinton campaign was at this point in 2008.

Even if the two were in any way comparable (they're not), the key difference is that Hillary was solely fighting her opponent, Obama, while Bernie is fighting basically everyone who doesn't kiss his ass, actively working to block unity and trying to destroy the party's chances in November.

He really isn't. All he wants to do is make the process more open. Clinton did more damage to Obama and party unity with her pseudo-racist campaign in 2008 than Sanders has even come close to this year.

How exactly was her campaign racist in 2008?

[Gass3268]

You know what's REALLY funny? For years the left-wingers were supporting closed primaries because they wanted the base to decide the nominee, not those wishy-washy centrist independents who could vote in (semi)open primaries.

But now suddenly, in one cycle, they have discovered how evil and undemocratic closed primaries are.

I've always been in favor of open primaries. It might be more so a condition of growing up in Wisconsin were we've had an open primary since the early 20th-century. It has always seemed normal and right to me to open it up to everyone.

[Lyin' Steve]

He's being just as gracious as the Clinton campaign was at this point in 2008.

Even if the two were in any way comparable (they're not), the key difference is that Hillary was solely fighting her opponent, Obama, while Bernie is fighting basically everyone who doesn't kiss his ass, actively working to block unity and trying to destroy the party's chances in November.

He really isn't. All he wants to do is make the process more open. Clinton did more damage to Obama and party unity with her pseudo-racist campaign in 2008 than Sanders has even come close to this year.

I don't know how you got a master's degree when you're incapable of understanding that Sanders' claim that the party is out to get him, doesn't care about his supporters, and helped Hillary win by cheating, is far more damaging to party unity than Hillary's claim that she was more prepared for office than Obama.

[HAnnA MArin County]

He's being just as gracious as the Clinton campaign was at this point in 2008.

Even if the two were in any way comparable (they're not), the key difference is that Hillary was solely fighting her opponent, Obama, while Bernie is fighting basically everyone who doesn't kiss his ass, actively working to block unity and trying to destroy the party's chances in November.

He really isn't. All he wants to do is make the process more open. Clinton did more damage to Obama and party unity with her pseudo-racist campaign in 2008 than Sanders has even come close to this year.

How exactly was her campaign racist in 2008?

She ran against a black guy. She shouldn't have done that.

Sanders's horrible handling of addressing the Nevada convention debacle was a signal that he isn't going to be gracious in defeat. His rhetoric hasn't been toned down and if anything he is just fanning the flames of his already irate and unhinged supporters who despise Hillary more than Satan.

[Gass3268]

He's being just as gracious as the Clinton campaign was at this point in 2008.

Even if the two were in any way comparable (they're not), the key difference is that Hillary was solely fighting her opponent, Obama, while Bernie is fighting basically everyone who doesn't kiss his ass, actively working to block unity and trying to destroy the party's chances in November.

He really isn't. All he wants to do is make the process more open. Clinton did more damage to Obama and party unity with her pseudo-racist campaign in 2008 than Sanders has even come close to this year.

How exactly was her campaign racist in 2008?

There were a lot of dog-whistles.

[Gass3268]

He's being just as gracious as the Clinton campaign was at this point in 2008.

Even if the two were in any way comparable (they're not), the key difference is that Hillary was solely fighting her opponent, Obama, while Bernie is fighting basically everyone who doesn't kiss his ass, actively working to block unity and trying to destroy the party's chances in November.

He really isn't. All he wants to do is make the process more open. Clinton did more damage to Obama and party unity with her pseudo-racist campaign in 2008 than Sanders has even come close to this year.

I don't know how you got a master's degree when you're incapable of understanding that Sanders' claim that the party is out to get him, doesn't care about his supporters, and helped Hillary win by cheating, is far more damaging to party unity than Hillary's claim that she was more prepared for office than Obama.

Wow dude, really? Is that necessary?

Saying that the party establishment is against you, wanting to open up the primary process, and getting big money out of politics is not as bad as the racist undertones of the 2008 Clinton campaign.

Could he do a better job had reprimanding his crazy supporters when they get out of line, totally. Yet I think we forget just how nasty things got towards the end of the 2008 campaign and how little the Clinton folks did to reprimand their crazy supporters as well.

[Hermit For Peace]

No Bernie will not be gracious in defeat. Look at him now. The guy has a persecution complex and he thinks the world is out to get him. He is no President, and he's no Democrat. I'm really tired of his shtick right now. Time to pack up and go home Bernie. You lost. Take it like a man.

[Landslide Lyndon]

Sanders won't be graceful in defeat for the simple reason that he isn't that kind of person.
This article, linked yesterday by Josh Marshall. is very illuminating in showing what kind of unpleasant individual he is, even to those who actually support and work for him.

http://lansingcitypulse.com/article-12189-The-trouble-with-Bernie.html

Here's my problem with Bernie Sanders. With few exceptions, I agree with his positions on issues. But I don't like him or his political temperament. He'd be an awful president.
I followed him carefully when I was editor of the Burlington Free Press in Vermont. Sanders was the state's sole congressman, lived in Burlington, and would periodically visit with the newspaper's editors and publisher.

Considering that the Free Press' editorial positions were very liberal, reflecting the nature of a very liberal Vermont community, one might think that meetings with Sanders were cordial, even celebratory.

They weren't. Sanders was always full of himself: pious, self-righteous and utterly humorless. Burdened by the cross of his socialist crusade, he was a scold whose counter-culture moralizing appealed to the state's liberal sensibilities as well as its conservatives, who embraced his gun ownership stance, his defense of individual rights, an antipathy toward big corporations and, generally speaking, his stick-it-to-them approach to politics.
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“They characterize the senator as rude, short-tempered and, occasionally, downright hostile. Though Sanders has spent much of his life fighting for working Vermonters, they say he mistreats the people working for him,” Heintz wrote. Among those he cited was Steve Rosenfeld, Sanders' press secretary during his 1990 House campaign, and author of “In Making History in Vermont.”

"At his best, Sanders is a skilled reader and manipulator of people and events," Rosenfeld wrote in his account of the campaign. "At his worst, he falls prey to his own emotions, is unable to practice what he preaches (though he would believe otherwise) and exudes a contempt for those he derides, including his staff."

[Simfan34]

He's being just as gracious as the Clinton campaign was at this point in 2008.

At this point Clinton was behind but still had something of chance, not to mention leading in the popular vote, whereas Bernie has no chance and is almost 15 points behind. The only reason Hillary hasn't clinched the nomination yet is because California is so late this year.

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Sanders won't be graceful in defeat for the simple reason that he isn't that kind of person.
This article, linked yesterday by Josh Marshall. is very illuminating in showing what kind of unpleasant individual he is, even to those who actually support and work for him.

http://lansingcitypulse.com/article-12189-The-trouble-with-Bernie.html

Here's my problem with Bernie Sanders. With few exceptions, I agree with his positions on issues. But I don't like him or his political temperament. He'd be an awful president.
I followed him carefully when I was editor of the Burlington Free Press in Vermont. Sanders was the state's sole congressman, lived in Burlington, and would periodically visit with the newspaper's editors and publisher.

Considering that the Free Press' editorial positions were very liberal, reflecting the nature of a very liberal Vermont community, one might think that meetings with Sanders were cordial, even celebratory.

They weren't. Sanders was always full of himself: pious, self-righteous and utterly humorless. Burdened by the cross of his socialist crusade, he was a scold whose counter-culture moralizing appealed to the state's liberal sensibilities as well as its conservatives, who embraced his gun ownership stance, his defense of individual rights, an antipathy toward big corporations and, generally speaking, his stick-it-to-them approach to politics.
...

“They characterize the senator as rude, short-tempered and, occasionally, downright hostile. Though Sanders has spent much of his life fighting for working Vermonters, they say he mistreats the people working for him,” Heintz wrote. Among those he cited was Steve Rosenfeld, Sanders' press secretary during his 1990 House campaign, and author of “In Making History in Vermont.”

"At his best, Sanders is a skilled reader and manipulator of people and events," Rosenfeld wrote in his account of the campaign. "At his worst, he falls prey to his own emotions, is unable to practice what he preaches (though he would believe otherwise) and exudes a contempt for those he derides, including his staff."

The people who know Bernie best, those in Vermont, spoke loud and clear with their 86% for him. Clowns like the above aren't very representative. A large fraction of Vermonters have gotten to meet Bernie in person, and they liked what they saw.

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

He probably will. The problem is, he won't agree that he's defeated for a long time and he won't be grateful until then.

[ag]

Seems like I was wrong. Apparently, he will not be.

[This account no longer in use.]

Ayyyy, remember when everyone hated on me for making this thread? 

I'm 'trying to pick a fight' because you are a mindless hack and troll who has done nothing that will leave any meaningful impact on this website.

Yes, you were right in a way. No, it does not change my opinion on your 'contributions' to this forum.

[Hermit For Peace]

It's possible that Bernie will be gracious in defeat, but it's highly improbable that his fans will.

[KingSweden]

It's possible that Bernie will be gracious in defeat, but it's highly improbable that his fans will.

This actually sounds pretty plausible.

[Crumpets]

It's possible that Bernie will be gracious in defeat, but it's highly improbable that his fans will.

This actually sounds pretty plausible.

There's a post on r/SandersForPresident right now about "why we shouldn't get behind the DNC regardless of what Bernie says" or something like that.

[Rules for me, but not for thee]

I'd like to see chaos in both parties, because they both stink to high heaven so I would hope he would cling on to the bitter end. 

That said, he'll probably eventually bow out gracefully.  Probably at the DNC.

[KingSweden]

It's possible that Bernie will be gracious in defeat, but it's highly improbable that his fans will.

This actually sounds pretty plausible.

There's a post on r/SandersForPresident right now about "why we shouldn't get behind the DNC regardless of what Bernie says" or something like that.

Upon reading this, I investigated this subreddit for the first time. Ho-li finks. Those kids should call into Alex Jones' show. Wows a.

[Fuzzy Bear]

I think this campaign has changed Sanders, and not all for the better.  He's a Rock Star now, and he's got The Big Head, much as Gene McCarthy had in 1968.  (McCarthy did not endorse HHH until late in the 1968 campaign because HHH didn't offer to make him Secretary of State.)  It's no accident that Gene McCarthy ran as an independent in 1976 and endorsed Ronald Reagan in 1980.  Sanders isn't Clean Gene, but I predict that he will be grousing to the end, and his endorsement of Hillary won't be gracious.