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RINO Tom
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« on: June 09, 2017, 10:23:39 AM »

On topic (sorry), I don't think there's a way to appeal to the stereotypical WWC that switched from Democrat to republican without adopting some pretty unpleasant views. (Eg reversing on gay marriage,  mass deportations)

ETA: plus they'd have to go against welfare, killing it. Remember that the kinds of Democrats that win the WWC are people like Justice, Manchin, and Bill Clinton.
Trump didn't appeal to the WWC using that at all...

Mass deportation was literally one of the only consistent policies trump had.
Mass deportations? You mean enforcing the law? In fact, we're only deporting illegals who have committed crimes aside from illegal immigration; I wouldn't call that mass deportations.

There goes the far-left making a mountain out of a molehill.

that's BS. The current administration is deporting anyone it can. Even before, ICE would happily kidnap anyone they caught without citizenship papers, they just had to prioritize those who had committed a crime. This isn't nothing.
Source, please?

(TYT, HuffPost, Occupy Democrats, and others are not accurate in any sense)

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-ice-deport-trump-20170517-story.html
http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/21/politics/dhs-immigration-guidance-detentions/index.html
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-trump-deportation-force-20170412-story.html

The kind of source you would like
http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/03/17/revealed-how-trump-will-speed-up-deportation-of-criminal-illegal-aliens/

Also, I like how you demand sources when you haven't given any.
That's because I didn't make any baseless claims.

Oh, also, nice job trying to imply I'm conservative. Look at my political matrix score, asshat.

Now then, moving on from your immature and petty attitude, let's talk about these sources, which I thank you for providing.

I read through them, and I still fail to see the problem. They broke the law; there are consequences for illegal actions. If it were up to me, everyone who broke our immigration laws would face the consequences. Just like how a murderer should face the consequences of their crime. It's pure justice.

I could make my PM score +10, +10, but I'd still be a liberal.

Your claim that only people with criminal records were being deported isn't self evident.

The legal code of the United States isn't a moral justification for anything.

A liberal who supports enforcing immigration laws - heck, even one that is downright intolerant of all immigrants, legal or not - is not a conservative.
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RINO Tom
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« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2017, 06:45:24 PM »

You literally dislike a politician because he worked as a banker?...  Jesus Christ, you at least checked one completely thoughtless, liberal cliche box on your list.
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RINO Tom
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« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2017, 09:31:56 AM »



So one issue makes me a conservative thinker?

S t r a n g e.

Whoosh.

You do not hold a liberal view of the world. The way you explain and justify your position on immigration is simply evidence of that. One can get a pretty decent understanding of people by seeing them talk about something. Shockingly, peoples philosophies show through in more  ways then just which bubble they put on a set of issues. There are more types of "conservative" then just Romney/Pence. Right wing beliefs are ultimately about regression, tribalism, "Good" g,roups and "Bad" groups, an ingrained belief in a specific order of the world being the way things should be, respect for things one considers traditional institutions and traditional hierarchies, etc.
Again, one issue doesn't necessarily determine my beliefs. I'm not sure how I am a "tribalistic" person, but let me break apart your rant.

I can bet you quite dislike Black Lives Matter,
I was a supporter when it first came to fruition as I was repulsed by Michael Brown's murder and the officer's subsequent acquittal, however it eventually just became more and more vitriolic. It hit my breaking point in late 2015 when a lot of its supporters were complaining that more people were focusing on the Paris shooting than what happened Missouri. That's when I decided that the movement was now a parade of attention whores.

I can bet you aren't a modern feminist
I support equal pay, harsher sentencing for rapists, among other things. However, just like BLM, it became a parade of attention whores with stuff like "manspreading" and "stare rape" becoming oppression. That and they made white males (like myself) the whipping post for all their problems, which made me feel alienated from the movement.

I can bet you don't care much about helping people in the LGBTQ+ community(unless you have gay or trans family members, in which case you would)
Actually I do care very much about the LGBTQ+ community. I think one of the things that makes me somewhat wary of Trump is that he chose Mike Pence, a very homophobic politician, to become his #2. There needs to be more protection for the LGBTQ+ community, and I think that's where the GOP and Trump's administration has fallen short.

Correct.

I wouldn't be surprised if you would have voted for Marine Le Pen in the french election
I mean I don't like Macron very much due to his career as a banker, so really in France it would be picking my poison.

I can bet you have some Islamophobic views(eg supporting a muslim ban)
Not really, even though one of my earliest memories was 9/11. I dated a Muslim girl for quite some time, actually.

I can bet that you aren't super into criminal justice reform
Wrong.

I can bet that you have some pretty unfortunate views on the subject of consent("Come on, they're just horsing around. Boys will be boys"), etc.
That was one low, baseless claim. Someone very close to me was subject to sexual assault, and I've taken time to care for her and to make sure she's well. You oughta be ashamed of yourself for making such a low comment.

Or maybe I'm misreading and you're some R-MI avatar putting on a mask or something.
Wrong.

F-, see me after class

So you believe all these culturally liberal (kind of) things and yet you support trump? What about all the sexual harrassment he's done? What about the blatant race-baiting? What about the horribe islamophobia? You really don't seem like someone telling the truth about what you believe.

You literally dislike a politician because he worked as a banker?...  Jesus Christ, you at least checked one completely thoughtless, liberal populist cliche box on your list.

You don't fit in any better with your party than I do, probably much worse.  I typed liberal because I meant liberal.
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RINO Tom
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« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2017, 11:50:30 AM »

You keep implying that a liar, and it's not working very well.

NO I'm really a freedom luvin' gun toatin' Confederate flag wavin' Mexican Muslim Queer hatin' hardcore conservative! You got me libtard!

*heavy sarcasm*

Seriously, I'm not lying. I am center-left; moderate liberal. I'm not a member of either party, and I've endorsed Democrats and Republicans throughout my life.

I'd love the DNC to put up a rational Democrat come 2020, like Mark Warner or Andrew Cuomo, but they won't. They'll probably put Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren or some other nut-job that will either force me to vote for Trump again or 3rd party.

You dodged the question. What reasons do you, a supposed center leftist, have to like trump? Something about the way you talk sets off flags of fake. Almost like a sock trying to mask its ideology...

You don't fit in any better with your party than I do, probably much worse.  I typed liberal because I meant liberal.


Are you seriously suggesting I fit better in the Republican party then the Democratic party?

Not at all.  I'm suggesting that if you think your outlook that you have displayed on this site, your utter distaste for "populism," etc. isn't SERIOUSLY at odds with most in your party, you're delusional.  AKA, a sarcastic "DINO" addition to your username would be appropriate.
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