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« on: June 11, 2014, 03:32:41 AM »

Well? Is immigration reform off the table? How rightward will the establishment candidates move? Is the Tea Party going to be more relevant than ever before?

Discuss.
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« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2014, 04:29:09 AM »

It means that the GOP is becoming even more right-wing and authoritarian.
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« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2014, 05:25:39 AM »

Rejuvenation of a Tea Party base that was starting to get dispirited? The only real scalp they had seemed to be able to claim this year was Thad Cochran, who is basically a doddering grandfatherly guy. Otherwise, it seemed like a wash; with Conryn, Graham etc. all safe as houses. Now the establishment will sure  be throwing bones to the base. Perhaps Alexander of Tennessee will be decapitated in light of increased base optimism.

(Immigration reform was always a no-hoper, but this will make it slightly even more dead)
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« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2014, 05:27:29 AM »
« Edited: June 11, 2014, 05:30:41 AM by Mechaman »

It means that the Tea Party has officially declared war against the business wing of the party.  It will be very interesting to see how this plays out.

EDIT: I of course am not saying that the Tea Party is proposing anything remotely left of centre, just that the economic and immigration agendas they are pushing are naturally harmful to the business interests in the party.
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« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2014, 05:29:58 AM »

Wow! Shocked

Will Cantor be the Lugar of 2014?

Does his loss have anything to do with his religious affiliation?
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« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2014, 05:55:24 AM »

Wow! Shocked

Will Cantor be the Lugar of 2014?

Does his loss have anything to do with his religious affiliation?

I know we can say a lot of things about the Republican Party, but this is definitely not an antisemit party.

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« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2014, 06:07:41 AM »

I think the impact is negligible.

Congressional primaries are very low turnout affairs. National tea party groups sat this one out, so they can't take much credit. This is kind of the opposite of a presidential primary, with the locals punishing a national figure. This was the tea party operating on a grassroots local level.

The tea party has been effective at winning a few upsets, but that's not enough to win a presidential primary.
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« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2014, 06:10:16 AM »

Wow! Shocked

Will Cantor be the Lugar of 2014?

Does his loss have anything to do with his religious affiliation?

I know we can say a lot of things about the Republican Party, but this is definitely not an antisemit party.


I was actually referring to the Tea Party.
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« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2014, 07:56:17 AM »

Wow! Shocked

Will Cantor be the Lugar of 2014?

Does his loss have anything to do with his religious affiliation?

I know we can say a lot of things about the Republican Party, but this is definitely not an antisemit party.


I was actually referring to the Tea Party.

It has to do with the bigotry of the Tea Party, yes.
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« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2014, 09:18:41 AM »

It gives Cantor a clear opening for the Republican presidential nomination, obvs.
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« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2014, 11:26:56 AM »

People are angry, but we knew that already.
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« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2014, 03:20:39 PM »

Immigration almost killed off McCain in 2008 and helped Romney beat back Perry and Gingrich in 2012. It is going to be a BFD in 2016 because the GOP House probably isn't going to touch it.

It is an interesting test for Bush. His instinct is to lead his party into the future on this, but does he have the stomach for such a fight? He hasn't really competed in a GOP primary since the early 90s.
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« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2014, 03:29:55 PM »

The lack of support for immigration reform in the GOP might hurt Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio, but it wouldn't take either out of the running by any means. Most other plausible Republican presidential candidates probably won't be affected by Cantor's loss.
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« Reply #13 on: June 11, 2014, 03:34:27 PM »

It means Rubio is dead in the water. Cantor didn't take a position (kind of was just if Obama wants it, I don't), Graham was pro-reform. Cantor lost, Graham won.
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« Reply #14 on: June 11, 2014, 05:03:38 PM »

Nothing obvious. Eric Cantor is but one  of 435.   The most significant question is whether it will result in a change of the majority.

 
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« Reply #15 on: June 11, 2014, 05:49:03 PM »

Nothing obvious. Eric Cantor is but one  of 435.   The most significant question is whether it will result in a change of the majority.

 

A change of the majority this year, or 2016?
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« Reply #16 on: June 11, 2014, 07:44:31 PM »

It means that the GOP is becoming even more right-wing and authoritarian.
lol

The Tea Party has lost every major primary this year. CNN's headline on their website a few weeks ago was "Is the Tea Party dead???"

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« Reply #17 on: June 11, 2014, 09:10:50 PM »

Probably makes Virginia a little easier for the Dems in 2016.
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« Reply #18 on: June 11, 2014, 11:01:11 PM »

Rejuvenation of a Tea Party base that was starting to get dispirited? The only real scalp they had seemed to be able to claim this year was Thad Cochran, who is basically a doddering grandfatherly guy. Otherwise, it seemed like a wash; with Conryn, Graham etc. all safe as houses. Now the establishment will sure  be throwing bones to the base. Perhaps Alexander of Tennessee will be decapitated in light of increased base optimism.

(Immigration reform was always a no-hoper, but this will make it slightly even more dead)
Alexander is safer than one can imagine. But Pat Roberts of Kansas is in some danger, and we haven't had that primary yet - so if this created real energy among the tea party, look to KS.
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« Reply #19 on: June 12, 2014, 01:21:46 AM »

Prior to Cantor's loss I thought immigration reform had a 5% of passing the House.  The chance is now 0%.
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« Reply #20 on: June 12, 2014, 08:35:01 AM »

I think the impact is negligible.

Congressional primaries are very low turnout affairs.

Totally agree.

National tea party groups sat this one out, so they can't take much credit. This is kind of the opposite of a presidential primary, with the locals punishing a national figure. This was the tea party operating on a grassroots local level.

I'm not sold on this part. Talk radio was pretty active in promoting David Brat.

The tea party has been effective at winning a few upsets, but that's not enough to win a presidential primary.

Totally agree here, too.
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« Reply #21 on: July 08, 2014, 01:41:22 PM »

Republicans need both the Corporate wing and the tea Party wing to win  elections in most states and districts.

I thought in 2010 that the two wings would eventually turn on each other -- Corporate Rs distrusting the populism inherent in the Tea Party and Tea Party types recognizing that Corporate America will not abandon its profitable businesses in booze, gambling, and soft-core porn. About all that they have in common is contempt for liberalism. 
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« Reply #22 on: July 08, 2014, 03:17:17 PM »

It means that the GOP is becoming even more right-wing and authoritarian.
lol

The Tea Party has lost every major primary this year. CNN's headline on their website a few weeks ago was "Is the Tea Party dead???"



Really? Tom Cotton isn't an extremist?
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« Reply #23 on: July 08, 2014, 07:17:02 PM »

It means that the GOP is becoming even more right-wing and authoritarian.
lol

The Tea Party has lost every major primary this year. CNN's headline on their website a few weeks ago was "Is the Tea Party dead???"



Really? Tom Cotton isn't an extremist?

''Extremism'' is subjective.
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« Reply #24 on: July 08, 2014, 07:25:53 PM »

It means nothing. Eric Cantor's loss had nothing to do with immigration reform, whose chances of passing were zero before the loss and remain so. Unless he runs for another office or becomes a prominent talking-head, within a few years Cantor will be forgotten. While a remarkable upset, in terms of effect on anything else it was a big nothingburger.
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