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« on: September 17, 2013, 09:31:49 AM »

Florida should really vote like Michigan but I think its because of a higher median age (about 3 years higher), maybe its a  and many of the lighter skinned minorities (Jews and Hispanics (many of which are 100% European)) there are very hawkish and many older ones are still punishing the Democrats for Vietnam (just like the median service member is doing) and the Bay of Pigs. But when you look at the hard numbers, these two facts probably push, at most, make Florida from a 0 state to a R+1. Florida really should be more of a D+2 or D+3, given its demography. I think the other two things are probably that every Florida resident is constitutionally entitled to work in an open shop (this makes the working-class harder to get out for Democrats) and that a large proportion of whites are Evangelical but still Florida overwhelming voted against even modest new abortion restrictions in 2012. So, its a lot of little things that just make Florida Democrats "hard to organize" and in itself makes a good case for Florida Republicans.
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« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2013, 04:07:04 PM »

Virginia is your classic urban vs. rural voter split.  The vast majority of counties lean strongly in support for Republicans, but they have a much lower population that the left(ish) leaning counties with large urban centers.  A lot of states are like this and more are on their way as urban centers grow at a much greater rate than their rural counterparts.  Having said that, Virginia's urban centers are not that left leaning when compared to those in the North East, just when compared to the rest of Virginia.  They are not so far gone that they are safe for Dems.  They could easily turn for Republicans with the right candidate.  It's just not likely to happen consistently. 


It's become a lot like Pennsylvania because there's a few Democratic counties in presidential elections with the rest being Republican. Without their urban areas, Virginia is still light red. You pretty much know what you're going to get in Virginia and it's just a matter of voter turnout in cities.

I think it is pretty similar to Pennsylvania or the Upper Mid West  but probably nudged a little more Republican because it basically a midwestern state built on top of a "solid south" state. The part of the state that is still "solid south" are just a few towns in the western hills. There aren't large resort towns that make up "solid south" Florida. Otherwise, the voting patterns in Virginia are a lot like what they are in the North.

I would go so far to say that in general, a Northern state is 2:1 in large cities, about 50-50 in suburbs and midsize cities and 1:2 in exurbs and rural counties. In Southern states, its abut 50-50 in large cities and 1:2 or even 1:3 everywhere else unless its a majority-minority place. This is probably a function of "southern" states being out of reach to Democrats despite cities and minority voters simply because a majority of white being evangelical.
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« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2013, 10:52:12 AM »

I really don't think you can classify VA as barely Republican anymore.

It's on its way out. It will move to toss up after the next election. These things take time.

Like I said, the only claim that Virginia is a "Republican" or "Solid South" state is that there still are very conservative places in the mountains. Even Virginia Beach is steadily moving away from being a "Southern City".
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« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2013, 09:44:04 AM »

and as long as  Republicans keep kicking wide in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Michigan , there will be little need for Democrats to expand the map in kind. If think if Democrats can no longer rely on the Great Lakes in close elections, they will look to make up the difference on what's left for them to take on I-95 and maybe they will try harder in Montana. So that's NC, GA,SC and MT for WI,PA and MI. That's a reasonable trade. I don't think Texas will become an issue until Illinois and Minnesota lose their reliability. I don't think trying to take back what was lost because of W and Reagan will be a good strategy and thus Hillary could be a flawed candidate.
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