Canada Expels Indian diplomat after accusing India of killing their citizen on Canadian Soil

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https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/18/americas/canada-hardeep-singh-nijjar-india-intl/index.html

Canada has expelled a top Indian diplomat from the country, after Prime Minister Justin Trudeau described “credible allegations” linking India’s government to the assassination of a Canadian citizen and prominent Sikh leader.

“Over the past number of weeks, Canadian security agencies have been actively pursuing credible allegations of a potential link between agents of the government of India and the killing of a Canadian citizen Hardeep Singh Nijjar,” Trudeau said in parliament on Monday, adding his government would take all steps necessary ‘“to hold perpetrators of this murder to account.”

Nijjar was a prominent Sikh leader in British Columbia, and according to local police, he was gunned down in his truck in June by two masked gunmen outside a Sikh temple in Surrey, BC. His death both shocked and outraged the large Sikh community in Canada that now numbers in the hundreds of thousands

India designated Nijjar a terrorist threat several years ago, labeling him part of a separatist movement for Sikhism.

India has responded by denying the allegations


https://twitter.com/Gray_Mackenzie/status/1703973236508106987?t=U9RTWFCuTfV8S-uQ...

[jaichind]

Note that Hardeep Singh Nijjar is a Khalistan leader and is considered a terrorist.  States do this all the time: take out people who they consider terrorists and national security threats.  This sounds like a diplomatic failure between India and Canada.  This should have been resolved behind the scenes without going public mostly because this is pretty much SOP for powerful states to do all the time. 

[MaxQue]

Note that Hardeep Singh Nijjar is a Khalistan leader and is considered a terrorist.  States do this all the time: take out people who they consider terrorists and national security threats.  This sounds like a diplomatic failure between India and Canada.  This should have been resolved behind the scenes without going public mostly because this is pretty much SOP for powerful states to do all the time. 

Sikhs issues are a problem considering the current Indian government is unwilling to consider non-Hindu points of view and Canada has the largest Sikh community out of India (and is a swing community, politically).

[Agafin]

Note that Hardeep Singh Nijjar is a Khalistan leader and is considered a terrorist.  States do this all the time: take out people who they consider terrorists and national security threats.  This sounds like a diplomatic failure between India and Canada.  This should have been resolved behind the scenes without going public mostly because this is pretty much SOP for powerful states to do all the time. 

Sikhs issues are a problem considering the current Indian government is unwilling to consider non-Hindu points of view and Canada has the largest Sikh community out of India (and is a swing community, politically).

"Swing"? Have sikhs ever voted conservative? Or do you mean between liberals and NDP?

[2952-0-0]

Note that Hardeep Singh Nijjar is a Khalistan leader and is considered a terrorist.  States do this all the time: take out people who they consider terrorists and national security threats.  This sounds like a diplomatic failure between India and Canada.  This should have been resolved behind the scenes without going public mostly because this is pretty much SOP for powerful states to do all the time. 

Do these "powerful states" include the likes of Chiang's KMT dictatorship, Pinochet's Chile, and North Korea?

There are also a lot of BJP officials who publicly claim to be nationalist while secretly owning houses and bank accounts in Canada. We'll see how "powerful" they will be after these are seized.

[OSR stands with Israel]

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/countrys-concerns-paramount-congress-backs-centre-over-india-vs-canada-4402858

The INC backs the BJP over this

[OSR stands with Israel]

Note that Hardeep Singh Nijjar is a Khalistan leader and is considered a terrorist.  States do this all the time: take out people who they consider terrorists and national security threats.  This sounds like a diplomatic failure between India and Canada.  This should have been resolved behind the scenes without going public mostly because this is pretty much SOP for powerful states to do all the time. 

You don’t do it in nations like Canada though.

[CumbrianLefty]

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/countrys-concerns-paramount-congress-backs-centre-over-india-vs-canada-4402858

The INC backs the BJP over this

Completely unsurprising.

This has definite vibes of another Skripal situation tbh, only involving an actual fatality this time.

[MaxQue]

Note that Hardeep Singh Nijjar is a Khalistan leader and is considered a terrorist.  States do this all the time: take out people who they consider terrorists and national security threats.  This sounds like a diplomatic failure between India and Canada.  This should have been resolved behind the scenes without going public mostly because this is pretty much SOP for powerful states to do all the time. 

Sikhs issues are a problem considering the current Indian government is unwilling to consider non-Hindu points of view and Canada has the largest Sikh community out of India (and is a swing community, politically).

"Swing"? Have sikhs ever voted conservative? Or do you mean between liberals and NDP?

Surrey and Brampton did vote Conservative in 2011.

[jaichind]

Note that Hardeep Singh Nijjar is a Khalistan leader and is considered a terrorist.  States do this all the time: take out people who they consider terrorists and national security threats.  This sounds like a diplomatic failure between India and Canada.  This should have been resolved behind the scenes without going public mostly because this is pretty much SOP for powerful states to do all the time. 

Do these "powerful states" include the likes of Chiang's KMT dictatorship, Pinochet's Chile, and North Korea?

There are also a lot of BJP officials who publicly claim to be nationalist while secretly owning houses and bank accounts in Canada. We'll see how "powerful" they will be after these are seized.

I was thinking of Barack "drone strike" Obama

[jaichind]

"Swing"? Have sikhs ever voted conservative? Or do you mean between liberals and NDP?

I am still trying to figure out Trudeau's angle in all this.  He will need NDP votes in the next election to have any chance of winning.  But because NDP leader  Jagmeet Singh cares about  Khalistan does not mean the typical NDP voter cares about  Khalistan.

[jaichind]

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/countrys-concerns-paramount-congress-backs-centre-over-india-vs-canada-4402858

The INC backs the BJP over this

Of course.  Sikh extremists bodyguards of Indira Gandhi killed her and a good part of INC PM Rajiv Gandhi's administration of 1984-1989 was devoted to beating back the Khalistan insurgency. 

I could not think of a move that Trudeau did more to unify the Indian elite and electorate than this one.  He should have put a lid on it and worked this out with India behind the scenes. 

[2952-0-0]

I could not think of a move that Trudeau did more to unify the Indian elite and electorate than this one.  He should have put a lid on it and worked this out with India behind the scenes. 

...in which case, it would have been leaked just before the next election, and Trudeau would have been denounced for hushing up a murder.

We'll see what happens once some BJP officials find their houses or bank accounts in Canada, obtained using stolen money, are frozen. Will they whine to the media and admit to their theft, or will they keep quiet and invite more seizures?

[Hatman 🍁]

Note that Hardeep Singh Nijjar is a Khalistan leader and is considered a terrorist.  States do this all the time: take out people who they consider terrorists and national security threats.  This sounds like a diplomatic failure between India and Canada.  This should have been resolved behind the scenes without going public mostly because this is pretty much SOP for powerful states to do all the time. 

Sikhs issues are a problem considering the current Indian government is unwilling to consider non-Hindu points of view and Canada has the largest Sikh community out of India (and is a swing community, politically).

"Swing"? Have sikhs ever voted conservative? Or do you mean between liberals and NDP?

Surrey and Brampton did vote Conservative in 2011.

Though, the more Sikh areas of those cities went NDP. (Recall, Jagmeet almost won Bramalea-Gore-Malton that year).

Sikhs are not monolithic voters though, and they have been trending conservative lately in Ontario provincial elections at least. We saw a big swing in their vote in the last provincial election.

[OSR stands with Israel]

https://twitter.com/TrueNorthCentre/status/1704150935272923167

[Horus]

Has Trudeau ever gone this hard on China? I'm guessing not.

[MaxQue]

"Swing"? Have sikhs ever voted conservative? Or do you mean between liberals and NDP?

I am still trying to figure out Trudeau's angle in all this.  He will need NDP votes in the next election to have any chance of winning.  But because NDP leader  Jagmeet Singh cares about  Khalistan does not mean the typical NDP voter cares about  Khalistan.

Sikhs areas in Ontario and BC voted for the Liberals in the most recent elections, but they are a key demographic in swing Liberal-Conservative ethonosuburbia in Toronto and Vancouver. Upsetting them is to throw away an handful of seats to the other side.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Note that Hardeep Singh Nijjar is a Khalistan leader and is considered a terrorist.  States do this all the time: take out people who they consider terrorists and national security threats.  This sounds like a diplomatic failure between India and Canada.  This should have been resolved behind the scenes without going public mostly because this is pretty much SOP for powerful states to do all the time. 

Do these "powerful states" include the likes of Chiang's KMT dictatorship, Pinochet's Chile, and North Korea?

There are also a lot of BJP officials who publicly claim to be nationalist while secretly owning houses and bank accounts in Canada. We'll see how "powerful" they will be after these are seized.

I was thinking of Barack "drone strike" Obama

Fair point.

[Hatman 🍁]

"Swing"? Have sikhs ever voted conservative? Or do you mean between liberals and NDP?

I am still trying to figure out Trudeau's angle in all this.  He will need NDP votes in the next election to have any chance of winning.  But because NDP leader  Jagmeet Singh cares about  Khalistan does not mean the typical NDP voter cares about  Khalistan.

Sikhs areas in Ontario and BC voted for the Liberals in the most recent elections, but they are a key demographic in swing Liberal-Conservative ethonosuburbia in Toronto and Vancouver. Upsetting them is to throw away an handful of seats to the other side.

Yeah, Singh isn't even that popular with most Sikhs right now.

[jaichind]

[CumbrianLefty]

Canada is acting silly here.

I mean, are they?

Its a serious allegation whatever way you slice it.

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

This feels like one of those things that's so extreme that you don't do it unless you have serious proof, so I'm definitely holding off on condemning Canada right now.

[Hatman 🍁]

If India committed an extra judicial killing of Canadian citizen IN Canada, then this is definitely not a "silly" matter.

[Vosem]

Yeah, ordering the assassination of a foreign citizen while they're in the country of their citizenship is verging on "act of war" territory.¹ I don't know what secrets Trudeau is trying to protect by not presenting evidence that the Indian government did this, but it's such a serious allegation that it's hard for me to even imagine what might be worth protecting so much that the evidence for it is not presented. (And if there really is, like, some singular Indian intelligence source that's so valuable that it isn't worth it for them to be compromised, then this should not have become public.)

If the Indian government did do this, then they poisoned relations with the West for quite possibly decades.

¹That said, the Indian government's allegations against Nijjar were that he was organizing politically-motivated murders in India from a safe harbor in British Columbia. This is also something that verges on "act of war" territory -- it is a smaller version of the complaint that led the US to invade Afghanistan (in the sense that it seems like Nijjar is alleged with causing fewer casualties).

[TDAS04]

Canada is acting silly here.

I mean, are they?

Its a serious allegation whatever way you slice it.

Okay, that part of my post was not correct, or at least too soon. If the Indian government did in fact kill someone on Canadian soil, that would be wrong.