Canada Expels Indian diplomat after accusing India of killing their citizen on Canadian Soil

[lfromnj]

Three arrested and charged over Sikh activist's killing in Canada

Oh, interesting. The article doesnt really imply any Indian government connection. Two of the 3 have surnames Singh, so they are likely Sikh themselves. So the Indian government version that its just a Canadian Sikh gang seems plausible, based on this article at least. I'm waiting for more info.

There are tons of Sikhs loyal to the indian government; the last-name proves nothing.

Some of the generals involved in the golden temple incident were Sikh and all Sikh soldiers had right to refuse to participate but none did so.

[Open Source Intelligence]

The killing of Nijjar was caused at least in part by Trudeau's own policies - the fact that he had the audacity to cause an international diplomatic dispute over it for his own political benefit shows his reckless, narcissistic and vacuous approach to international relations.

Yes, Trudeau should have hushed up the murder of a Canadian citizen on Canadian soil to avoid hurting the feelings of those responsible.

Maybe the cause of the diplomatic dispute was the murder itself, not the fuss it caused?

Foreign affairs operates under its own rules. He should've never brought it up publicly unless his allies were willing to back him up on it publicly, and they didn't. His only other step is just to produce all the facts in a seating of Parliament, he didn't do that either.

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Firstly, the facts as they currently are don't exactly portray Trudeau in a positive light. Lax border security makes it very easy for nefarious actors to commit acts like this. Lax border security seems to have been a factor here, because the alleged killers of Nijjar entered the country on student visas. If Trudeau were seriously concerned about foreign actors killing our citizens, we would have much stricter border security and a foreign agent registry by now, yet we don't have these things. Trudeau is abdicating his own responsibility to defend our national security, which makes me roll my eyes when he expresses indignation toward the Indian government regarding the killing.

It appears the Indian government paid the "students" after they had arrived in Canada. These types of assassinations also happen in many countries with famously tight security. If not through "students", the hit could have been conducted in any other way. So, while border security could be tighter, I'm not sure that blaming this on immigration policy is quite accurate.

It's also very suspicious that the Conservatives were reluctant to expand the scope of the inquiry into foreign interference to cover all actions by all foreign powers. Could it be connected to CSIS investigating Indian interference in the Conservative campaign in last year's Oxford by-election? I guess that explains Pierre Poilevre's BS-ing on this matter: he refuses to obtain a security clearance to review top-secret intelligence, because he would rather continue BS-ing than know the full facts.

Secondly, publicly accusing a state of killing your citizen is not a decision to be made lightly. It's better to know you will have backing from other allies as well as to make sure you have somewhat complete information. There's still a lot we don't know about the level at which the Indian government was involved - was it just a rogue intel agent, or was it ordered at the executive level? If it was the former, for all we know, Ottawa could have informed the Indian government privately and they might have dealt with the rogue individual. The US could also have privately intervened to side with Canada. If Trudeau planned to go public about the allegation, how it is revealed could have been co-ordinated with the US and other allies. He lost a lot of leverage by trying to be self-righteous and recklessly revealing the allegation on his own. Early in the dispute, the US seemed to side with Canada but didn't want to discuss it publicly, making the whole thing harder to solve. The reckless manner in which the allegation was revealed also made Canada susceptible to propaganda from Indian media, which also didn't help the situation.

Trudeau could have handled the whole thing far more prudently.

The PMO wanted to keep the story quiet, until Robert Fife approached it for comment. After that, it became impossible to cover up the story. It's the cost of freedom of press. This isn't China where each media outlet has Party propaganda committees with powers to censor embarrassing stories.

[Open Source Intelligence]

Firstly, the facts as they currently are don't exactly portray Trudeau in a positive light. Lax border security makes it very easy for nefarious actors to commit acts like this. Lax border security seems to have been a factor here, because the alleged killers of Nijjar entered the country on student visas. If Trudeau were seriously concerned about foreign actors killing our citizens, we would have much stricter border security and a foreign agent registry by now, yet we don't have these things. Trudeau is abdicating his own responsibility to defend our national security, which makes me roll my eyes when he expresses indignation toward the Indian government regarding the killing.

It appears the Indian government paid the "students" after they had arrived in Canada. These types of assassinations also happen in many countries with famously tight security. If not through "students", the hit could have been conducted in any other way. So, while border security could be tighter, I'm not sure that blaming this on immigration policy is quite accurate.

It's also very suspicious that the Conservatives were reluctant to expand the scope of the inquiry into foreign interference to cover all actions by all foreign powers. Could it be connected to CSIS investigating Indian interference in the Conservative campaign in last year's Oxford by-election? I guess that explains Pierre Poilevre's BS-ing on this matter: he refuses to obtain a security clearance to review top-secret intelligence, because he would rather continue BS-ing than know the full facts.

Secondly, publicly accusing a state of killing your citizen is not a decision to be made lightly. It's better to know you will have backing from other allies as well as to make sure you have somewhat complete information. There's still a lot we don't know about the level at which the Indian government was involved - was it just a rogue intel agent, or was it ordered at the executive level? If it was the former, for all we know, Ottawa could have informed the Indian government privately and they might have dealt with the rogue individual. The US could also have privately intervened to side with Canada. If Trudeau planned to go public about the allegation, how it is revealed could have been co-ordinated with the US and other allies. He lost a lot of leverage by trying to be self-righteous and recklessly revealing the allegation on his own. Early in the dispute, the US seemed to side with Canada but didn't want to discuss it publicly, making the whole thing harder to solve. The reckless manner in which the allegation was revealed also made Canada susceptible to propaganda from Indian media, which also didn't help the situation.

Trudeau could have handled the whole thing far more prudently.

The PMO wanted to keep the story quiet, until Robert Fife approached it for comment. After that, it became impossible to cover up the story. It's the cost of freedom of press.

"The government refrains from commenting on ongoing criminal investigations." Obviously it was an ongoing criminal investigation, because they're just now making arrests. The Trudeau government has hardly had trouble during its time in power not telling the press anything, it's not like they have some grand commitment to transparency to where "we have to be open in public on this".

These guys were pretty dumb to stick around in Canada in my opinion.

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"The government refrains from commenting on ongoing criminal investigations." Obviously it was an ongoing criminal investigation, because they're just now making arrests. The Trudeau government has hardly had trouble during its time in power not telling the press anything, it's not like they have some grand commitment to transparency to where "we have to be open in public on this".

These guys were pretty dumb to stick around in Canada in my opinion.

This isn't a run-of-the-mill scandal like taxpayer's money wasted on an app. I don't think any government in any democratic country can get away with no-commenting reports that a foreign power committed an assassination on its soil. Even Iran cannot cover up all these assassinations in its territory by the Mossad.

In the end, Trudeau emulated Erdogan's approach after Khashoggi's assassination, but had better success in finding support from other nations.

Yes, this makes the Indian intelligence services look like amateurs. The Indian media were bragging about how they had the "new Mossad". They weren't even competent enough to exfiltrate the assassins out of the country.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Meanwhile, the Prime Minister of Bangladesh accuses Canada of harboring the man who assassinated her father, the "founding father" of Bangladesh.

Don’t forget that Canada gave 10 million dollars to a terrorist that murdered an American solider

[Benjamin Frank 2.0]

Meanwhile, the Prime Minister of Bangladesh accuses Canada of harboring the man who assassinated her father, the "founding father" of Bangladesh.

Don’t forget that Canada gave 10 million dollars to a terrorist that murdered an American solider

1.He was not 'given' $10 million but the government negotiated that with him in order to prevent him from suing the government in court.

2.He was not a terrorist. He was a 15 year old who was in Afghanistan because his parents took him there. His parents were fighting for the Taliban and he got caught up in the fighting. What exactly happened is not clear. However, since his father was fighting for the Taliban, Khadr, or his father, more accurately should be considered a soldier in a war rather than a terrorist.

3.He was sent to Guantanamo and his 'confession' was obtained through torture.

[Benjamin Frank 2.0]

Three arrested and charged over Sikh activist's killing in Canada

Oh, interesting. The article doesnt really imply any Indian government connection. Two of the 3 have surnames Singh, so they are likely Sikh themselves. So the Indian government version that its just a Canadian Sikh gang seems plausible, based on this article at least. I'm waiting for more info.

The Indian Foreign Minister yesterday essentially admitted they were behind the killings.

Rather than continue to deny involvement, the minister said that the Canadian government was allowing illegal activity to take place (Canadians promoting Kurdistan, which is, of course, not illegal in Canada.) The only thing was he stopped short of saying "so we had to act" but the implication is still clear.

[Independents for Nihilism]

Meanwhile, the Prime Minister of Bangladesh accuses Canada of harboring the man who assassinated her father, the "founding father" of Bangladesh.

Don’t forget that Canada gave 10 million dollars to a terrorist that murdered an American solider

Wrong how? Omar Khadr was never exonerated, and calling him something other than a terrorist relies on legalese that defines fighters affiliated with designated terrorist groups as "combatants" or some such thing.

[Benjamin Frank 2.0]

Meanwhile, the Prime Minister of Bangladesh accuses Canada of harboring the man who assassinated her father, the "founding father" of Bangladesh.

Don’t forget that Canada gave 10 million dollars to a terrorist that murdered an American solider

Wrong how? Omar Khadr was never exonerated, and calling him something other than a terrorist relies on legalese that defines fighters affiliated with designated terrorist groups as "combatants" or some such thing.

As I added:

1.He was not 'given' $10 million but the government negotiated that with him in order to prevent him from suing the government in court.

For what it's worth, it was $10.5 million. Interestingly, the amount that he received was the exact same (not adjusted for inflation) negotiated by the Stephen Harper government with Maher Arar (although much of the negotiation likely took place before Harper came to power, but Harper did apologize to Arar in Parliament, and Arar also received an additional $1 million for legal costs.) I think it's unlikely this is coincidental.

2.He was not a terrorist. He was a 15 year old who was in Afghanistan because his parents took him there. His father was fighting for the Taliban and he got caught up in the fighting. What exactly happened is not clear. However, since his father was fighting for the Taliban, Khadr, or his father, more accurately should be considered a soldier in a war rather than a terrorist.

3.He was sent to Guantanamo and his 'confession' was obtained through torture which included believing that if he did not confess and be sent to jail that he could end up spending his entire life in Guantanamo.

But, if you and OSR want to defend the torture regime of George W Bush, go ahead.

[Hatman 🍁]

Imagine if we judged everyone by the actions they committed when they were 15...

[Open Source Intelligence]

Imagine if we judged everyone by the actions the committed when they were 15...

Social media bud, new world. Nothing you do is private.

[lfromnj]

The sad part of this is really that Nijjar shouldn't have been in Canada and was initially denied a Visa but stayed anyway.
Meanwhile the students also were clearly fake and should never have been accepted.