"Crazy Bernie" to introduce socialized medicine bill

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For those saying it's Un-American Socialism... they said the same thing about Social Security.

Do you dispute that this is socialism?

There's 2 views...

1. There's the broad view that would include Social Security as socialism, as well as most government programs created since 1860.

2. There's the view that it can only be Socialist if it's about communal democratic ownership of the means of production.



If you go with view #1, you'll find that a supermajority of Americans are already socialist for supporting the existence of Social Security and like-minded programs.

If you go with view #2, no, single-payer has nothing to do with owning the means of production.
(And most countries that would be identified as capitalist, like the UK and Canada, have a version of single-payer healthcare.)

Perhaps I should have been more clear, I was referring to Bernie's horrific bill not social security.

Do you also oppose Medicare as a socialist idea? Or do you support socialist ideas for people above 65 & not under 65. So in that case you would be supporting socialist ideas & welfare state for old people but not the rest.

For Medicare, this was the argument - It was called Government takeover, Senior killer & what not. It was much worse - Remember what Reagan did about it? Remember all the jingles & ads?

So in a way you are a part-socialist - Is that right to call?

Yes, free Medicare, free healthcare, free social security, free housing, why stop there... I think we should clothe and feed every single person in this country... Having food is as much a human right as having medicine.  I think we should also make sure each person has access to fun electronics like iPhones and iPads (free from the state of course) because some studies show that such items make people happier and are good for their well being. 

fycking hell, the fact that you think you make that comparison is ridiculous, as the ones mentioned before are a necessity, and a right, while the rest you know aren't a necessity, you awful piece of shi*t.

[Intell]

For those saying it's Un-American Socialism... they said the same thing about Social Security.

Do you dispute that this is socialism?

There's 2 views...

1. There's the broad view that would include Social Security as socialism, as well as most government programs created since 1860.

2. There's the view that it can only be Socialist if it's about communal democratic ownership of the means of production.



If you go with view #1, you'll find that a supermajority of Americans are already socialist for supporting the existence of Social Security and like-minded programs.

If you go with view #2, no, single-payer has nothing to do with owning the means of production.
(And most countries that would be identified as capitalist, like the UK and Canada, have a version of single-payer healthcare.)

Perhaps I should have been more clear, I was referring to Bernie's horrific bill not social security.

Do you also oppose Medicare as a socialist idea? Or do you support socialist ideas for people above 65 & not under 65. So in that case you would be supporting socialist ideas & welfare state for old people but not the rest.

For Medicare, this was the argument - It was called Government takeover, Senior killer & what not. It was much worse - Remember what Reagan did about it? Remember all the jingles & ads?

So in a way you are a part-socialist - Is that right to call?

Yes, free Medicare, free healthcare, free social security, free housing, why stop there... I think we should clothe and feed every single person in this country... Having food is as much a human right as having medicine.  I think we should also make sure each person has access to fun electronics like iPhones and iPads (free from the state of course) because some studies show that such items make people happier and are good for their well being. 

fycking hell, the fact that you think you make that comparison is ridiculous, as the ones mentioned before are a necessity, and a right, while the rest you know aren't a necessity, you awful piece of shi*t.

food and clothing isn't a necessity?  sorry you can't make a coherent argument without using curse words.

I said the ones mentioned before are a necessity, which means that government should give people free stuff relating to that, while fycking iphones and ipads, fun electronics aren't, you're making such a ridiculous comparison..

[Intell]

For those saying it's Un-American Socialism... they said the same thing about Social Security.

Do you dispute that this is socialism?

There's 2 views...

1. There's the broad view that would include Social Security as socialism, as well as most government programs created since 1860.

2. There's the view that it can only be Socialist if it's about communal democratic ownership of the means of production.



If you go with view #1, you'll find that a supermajority of Americans are already socialist for supporting the existence of Social Security and like-minded programs.

If you go with view #2, no, single-payer has nothing to do with owning the means of production.
(And most countries that would be identified as capitalist, like the UK and Canada, have a version of single-payer healthcare.)

Perhaps I should have been more clear, I was referring to Bernie's horrific bill not social security.

Do you also oppose Medicare as a socialist idea? Or do you support socialist ideas for people above 65 & not under 65. So in that case you would be supporting socialist ideas & welfare state for old people but not the rest.

For Medicare, this was the argument - It was called Government takeover, Senior killer & what not. It was much worse - Remember what Reagan did about it? Remember all the jingles & ads?

So in a way you are a part-socialist - Is that right to call?

Yes, free Medicare, free healthcare, free social security, free housing, why stop there... I think we should clothe and feed every single person in this country... Having food is as much a human right as having medicine.  I think we should also make sure each person has access to fun electronics like iPhones and iPads (free from the state of course) because some studies show that such items make people happier and are good for their well being. 

fycking hell, the fact that you think you make that comparison is ridiculous, as the ones mentioned before are a necessity, and a right, while the rest you know aren't a necessity, you awful piece of shi*t.

food and clothing isn't a necessity?  sorry you can't make a coherent argument without using curse words.

I said the ones mentioned before are a necessity, which means that government should give people free stuff relating to that, while fycking iphones and ipads, fun electronics aren't, you're making such a ridiculous comparison..

lol so you admit that you want the state to pay for free food and clothing... disgusting.

To some extent, yes, and free food is paid for by the state, in many countries with thriving countries. If you think that is disgusting, you have some very warped up morals.