FT 10-18: Protecting Children From Smoking in Vehicles Act (Passed)
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« Reply #25 on: March 09, 2019, 07:58:02 PM »

This is why 8 slots is a bad idea guys.

Only 3 of you all have voted....
The number of slots doesn't affect the activity of MPs.

Yes it does.

Faster pace=fewer number of officeholders staying engaged=more inactivity.

Well the South has 12 slots yet they never have burnout, and they also have far less inactivity than we do.

You literally were telling me the other day they have far more turnover in their legislative body than we do historically...

Yeah, but unfortunately that is almost always through people resigning to take higher office. Very few vacancies were actually created from recalls or resignations caused by inactivity.
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« Reply #26 on: March 09, 2019, 08:19:22 PM »

This is why 8 slots is a bad idea guys.

Only 3 of you all have voted....
The number of slots doesn't affect the activity of MPs.

Yes it does.

Faster pace=fewer number of officeholders staying engaged=more inactivity.

Well the South has 12 slots yet they never have burnout, and they also have far less inactivity than we do.

You literally were telling me the other day they have far more turnover in their legislative body than we do historically...

Yeah, but unfortunately that is almost always through people resigning to take higher office. Very few vacancies were actually created from recalls or resignations caused by inactivity.

That's true in Fremont than the South, I think.

People who left for higher office in Fremont in my time in the game:
canis
Devout Centrist
ON Progressive
Lumine (once - could make a case for twice since he bolted for SOS after announcing his retirement)
Pericles (twice)
MB (Fremont to Lincoln is a literal move on paper but serving in Lincoln set him up to become VP)

People who left for South for higher office during that time:
Mr. Reactionary
CMB22
Lechasseur
YT
HCP (who did nothing as Deputy GM anyway IIRC)

So yea... no.
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« Reply #27 on: March 09, 2019, 10:13:41 PM »

This is why 8 slots is a bad idea guys.

Only 3 of you all have voted....
The number of slots doesn't affect the activity of MPs.

Yes it does.

Faster pace=fewer number of officeholders staying engaged=more inactivity.

Well the South has 12 slots yet they never have burnout, and they also have far less inactivity than we do.

You literally were telling me the other day they have far more turnover in their legislative body than we do historically...

ASV is correct on the historical stats, but only 19% of the South's vacancies have occurred since October, while for Fremont that number is 37%. So, in a relative sense, the South has been getting better - despite the fact that, in September, the South went from a 10 slot system to a 12 slot system. If your theory is correct, adding two additional slots should have led to mass inactivity - instead, we have no inactivity problem whatsoever, and our last full legislative session considered 41 pieces of legislation. Our Governor at the time signed 31 bills into law that session (other items were vetoed, tabled, withdrawn, or deferred to the next session). And we do use our slots - Since one of the 12 slots is only for declared regional emergencies, the effective capacity in most scenarios is 11 (and it was 9 under the old system), and we did hit it on at least on one occasion last term (and within this current term, we have already had a point where the only open slots were in the "governor-introduced only" group). Legislators turn out to vote (sometimes w/out reminders(!)), do not issue complaints of being burned out, and we've accomplished a lot. There have been no negative effects of the South expanding its slots from 10 to 12.

To the extent that Fremont has "issues", it is highly unlikely that it has anything to do with the number of legislative slots. The problem lies elsewhere.
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« Reply #28 on: March 09, 2019, 10:33:38 PM »

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« Reply #29 on: March 09, 2019, 10:33:51 PM »

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« Reply #30 on: March 09, 2019, 10:37:52 PM »

FT 10-18 has failed to pass by a vote of 2-2-0-3.

Oops.
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« Reply #31 on: March 09, 2019, 10:38:57 PM »

FT 10-18 has passed by a vote of 4-2-0-1.
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« Reply #32 on: March 09, 2019, 10:42:46 PM »


Double oops.
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« Reply #33 on: March 09, 2019, 10:44:16 PM »
« Edited: March 09, 2019, 10:53:20 PM by Chairman YE »

This is why 8 slots is a bad idea guys.

Only 3 of you all have voted....
The number of slots doesn't affect the activity of MPs.

Yes it does.

Faster pace=fewer number of officeholders staying engaged=more inactivity.

Well the South has 12 slots yet they never have burnout, and they also have far less inactivity than we do.

You literally were telling me the other day they have far more turnover in their legislative body than we do historically...

ASV is correct on the historical stats, but only 19% of the South's vacancies have occurred since October, while for Fremont that number is 37%.

That's because Fremont was so inactive that recalls in the pre-2018 days were not held, and legislators were seldom asked to resign (which could explain the historical gap in openings between the two but not the gap since October). You should know this because your inactivity played a part in their being no functioning Fremont government during the Yankee administration and resulted in him making Truman move and set up an emergency government. So tl;dr, that tidbit is misleading.

Also if legislators are too inactive to vote, they're not gonna complain of burnout in public most likely. That doesn't mean said burnout does not risk posing a problem.
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« Reply #34 on: March 09, 2019, 11:00:27 PM »


Also if legislators are too inactive to vote, they're not gonna complain of burnout in public most likely. That doesn't mean said burnout does not risk posing a problem.

Perhaps then the fact is that you have inactive legislators in the first place - people that would be inactive regardless of floor activity - not people who simply become inactive because "Oh for Pete's sake there are too many bills on the floor!!!!!!!!!!!".
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« Reply #35 on: March 10, 2019, 01:28:31 PM »

Lol @ regressive Fremont suspending poor mothers' drivers licenses to prove a point. Im sure the kids will be much better off if mom loses her job and cant pick them up from soccer than if she was blowing legal smoke out the car window. Such backwards thinking from the supposed "progressive " region is comical. Meanwhile in the name of supposed criminal reform guys who steal cars to fund heroin should be coddled.
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« Reply #36 on: March 10, 2019, 01:35:26 PM »

Also, I just realized. If an 18 yr old in high school drives his 17 year old classmate to school in his top-down convertible while vaping you've just phucked the high schooler. Great job Fremont.
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« Reply #37 on: March 10, 2019, 05:39:17 PM »
« Edited: March 23, 2019, 07:22:12 PM by 🌈Rainbow Jihad »

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Protecting Children From Smoking in Vehicles Act

To prohibit individuals from smoking in a vehicle with passengers under the age of 18

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Section 1. Short title

This Act shall be cited as the “Protecting Children From Smoking in Vehicles Act”.

Section 2. Definitions

As used in Act, unless otherwise provided or indicated by the context:
   (1) The term "smoke" shall mean the inhaling and exhaling of a vapor produced by the burning, heating, or lighting of a tobacco product or drug in a cigar, cigarette, pipe, or other device, or the use of such device.
(2) The term "electronic cigarette" shall mean a device that produces a nicotine vapor that can be inhaled.

Section 3. Rules

(a) In general. -

   It shall be a summary offense for an individual to smoke or use an electronic cigarette in a vehicle that has one or more passengers that are under 18 years of age.

(b) Penalty. -

   An individual caught violating subsection (a), upon conviction, shall:
       (1) on the first offense within a 5 year period, be required to pay a fine of $250;
(2) on the second offense within a 5 year period, be required to pay a fine of $500 and have their license suspended for 30 days;
(3) on the third offense within a 5 year period, be required to pay a fine of $750 and have their license suspended for 90 days; and
(4) for any offense thereafter within a 5 year period, be required to pay a fine of $1000 and have their license suspended for 1 year.

Section 4. Implementation

This Act shall take effect immediately upon its passage.

Parliament of the Commonwealth of Fremont
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A referendum on the legislation will be held next Friday.  I will be making a public statement on this soon.
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