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« on: March 22, 2015, 05:44:15 PM »

According to the latest CNN poll, 64% of American women would be proud to have Hillary as president. And yet "progressive" men like X would rather have Ted Cruz as president than her.
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« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2015, 01:25:23 AM »

According to the latest CNN poll, 64% of American women would be proud to have Hillary as president. And yet "progressive" men like X would rather have Ted Cruz as president than her.

Are you deliberately lying about what I said or do you just lack basic reading comprehension skills?

Wait, you're getting upset at me for this characterization, when earlier, in response to this, you lol'ed?

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It't not outside the bounds of intelligent reading to take from two effortposts arguing that a Cruz presidency would have no negative ramifications for your preferred policies, but positive ramifications for your party, and stating that you would personally be amused by it, that you would prefer that outcome to the alternative. So, if it came down to Hillary vs. Cruz, which would you prefer to win? And if Hillary, why?
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« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2015, 06:35:07 PM »

There's no sin in voting third party, especially if one lives in a non-important jurisdiction. It's not equivalent of voting for the Republican/Democrat, etc. etc.

The only difference in opinion for people who say that is, what they really mean is that a vote is not an endorsement of the person you are voting for, but rather an expression of a preference for B instead of A. So if I vote for B, it doesn't necessarily mean that B offers me anything I consider worthwhile, only that I think the scenario of B winning would be better than A winning. Voting for C is me choosing not to contribute to the decision of the question, and I do lose my right to complain. But it's not the same as voting A either.
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« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2015, 03:12:42 PM »

There's no sin in voting third party, especially if one lives in a non-important jurisdiction. It's not equivalent of voting for the Republican/Democrat, etc. etc.

The only difference in opinion for people who say that is, what they really mean is that a vote is not an endorsement of the person you are voting for, but rather an expression of a preference for B instead of A. So if I vote for B, it doesn't necessarily mean that B offers me anything I consider worthwhile, only that I think the scenario of B winning would be better than A winning. Voting for C is me choosing not to contribute to the decision of the question, and I do lose my right to complain. But it's not the same as voting A either.

I reject the premise that the choice is only between A and B.  The only people who have no right to complain are a the ones who simply don't vote at all.

Unless you are actively campaigning for Choice C or Choice C has a legitimate shot, you might as well not vote at all than support Choice C. You're basically voting Present.

No, you're really not.  That's a common tactic used by members of both parties to try to delegitimize any desire by others in their party to register their dissatisfaction with their party's nominee.

But it doesn't delegitimize the registration of dissatisfaction to point out that the typical election is between a Republican and a Democrat and a third party has no shot.

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It doesn't matter what message you think you're "sending." You're not actually sending any message by voting for C other than that you voted for C, because no one knows anything else about you.
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