PA-PPP: Clinton 41 Trump 40 Johnson 6

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

PLEASE TAKE A LOOK AT REAGAN'S ELECTION MAPS IN PENNSYLVANIA BEFORE TALKING ABOUT F[INKS]ING "REAGAN DEMOCRATS"

or better yet don't talk about them at all and only talk about voting groups that exist.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

PLEASE TAKE A LOOK AT REAGAN'S ELECTION MAPS IN PENNSYLVANIA BEFORE TALKING ABOUT F[INKS]ING "REAGAN DEMOCRATS"

or better yet don't talk about them at all and only talk about voting groups that exist.

Im looking at it?  Reagan won a ton of places that traditionally, and still to this day vote Democrat, while losing Western PA.

And guess which part of the state is usually the one associated with having a large population of "Reagan Democrats"?

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

You are being mocked because white older blue collar workers were not the "Reagan Democrats" in the 80s. And the actual Reagan Democrats are mostly consistent Republicans now or dead.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

This isn't a left wing or right wing issue. It's about facts. And citing those clowns in the mainstream media Atlas loves to mock doesn't help your case here.




So...how did all those blue collar voters in western Pennsylvania vote? Even NE Pennsylvania wasn't all that strong for Reagan, he only won Lackawanna one time and by a pretty weak margin compared to his statewide and nationwide numbers. Meanwhile in 1984 Reagan broke 64% in Montgomery county. Most of those blue collar Democrats actually did not vote for Reagan.

The actual Reagan Democrats were mostly conservadems in the South, who are now consistent Republican voters today, or inner suburbanites who were fearing crime and racial tensions. There isn't really a comparable bloc of voters today.

But that's not even the biggest issue with the term. Because most Reagan Democrats whether they returned to the Democratic Party or not later are now either in retirement homes or dead. The youngest someone can be in 2016 and have voted for Reagan is 50, and that means you cast your first vote in 1984, not a lifelong Democrat who crossed over for Reagan. So most blue collar workers ANYWHERE didn't vote for Reagan, they simply weren't old enough. It's been 32 years since the guy was on a ballot anywhere.

It's time to move on and quit trying to define blocs of voters as defined by a 32-year old election, whether those definitions are accurate or not. People weren't still talking about "LBJ Republicans" during Reagan's time, and that was a more recent election than 1980 or 1984 is to today. This term was already effectively meaningless by Bill Clinton's second term, the fact that it's still in use today is sheer insanity.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

If we're talking about blue collar swing voters then why not just call them "blue collar swing voters" instead if this insanely moronic and inaccurate term?

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

If we're talking about blue collar swing voters then why not just call them "blue collar swing voters" instead if this insanely moronic and inaccurate term?

Because they are the same profile of voter up North that haven't assimilated into the Republican Party and haven't really voted Republican in that regard since Reagan in 1984 or Bush (on Reagan's goodwill) in 1988? The term fits if counties like Luzerne flip to the Republican side in this election.

Why is Luzerne County, which at most gave Reagan 53.5% of the vote which was significantly below his national numbers so much of a Reagan Democrat stronghold but Montgomery county which gave Reagan 64.2% of the vote not one?

The term doesn't fit because the people of the profile you're describing about for the most part did not vote for Reagan. The people who did vote for Reagan but then voted Democratic afterwards were not like older blue collar socially conservative people AT ALL, and they don't make up any actual voter bloc today.

Hell Ford actually did better in comparison to his national numbers in Luzerne County in 1976 than Reagan did in 1984. So did George HW Bush in 1988. There's no evidence Reagan had any type of special appeal or personal following in Luzerne County.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

If we're talking about blue collar swing voters then why not just call them "blue collar swing voters" instead if this insanely moronic and inaccurate term?

Because they are the same profile of voter up North that haven't assimilated into the Republican Party and haven't really voted Republican in that regard since Reagan in 1984 or Bush (on Reagan's goodwill) in 1988? The term fits if counties like Luzerne flip to the Republican side in this election.

Why is Luzerne County, which at most gave Reagan 53.5% of the vote which was significantly below his national numbers so much of a Reagan Democrat stronghold but Montgomery county which gave Reagan 64.2% of the vote not one?

The term doesn't fit because the people of the profile you're describing about for the most part did not vote for Reagan. The people who did vote for Reagan but then voted Democratic afterwards were not like older blue collar socially conservative people AT ALL, and they don't make up any actual voter bloc today.

Hell Ford actually did better in comparison to his national numbers in Luzerne County in 1976 than Reagan did in 1984. So did George HW Bush in 1988. There's no evidence Reagan had any type of special appeal or personal following in Luzerne County.

Ummm. It's because of the shift in areas like that which allowed Reagan to win in 1980 and complete an utter butt kicking of Mondale in 1984.

If I learned anything from watching the Trump campaign in this cycle, he's mimicking what Reagan did in 1980, even down to the slogan "Make America Great Again." It's the exact rough profile of a voter that he wants to attract to defeat the Democrats this cycle.

Yeah that's just not true. I showed that earlier.  Luzerne County was not a notable stronghold for Reagan.