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platypeanArchcow
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« on: November 02, 2008, 12:28:11 PM »

Proposition 8. Eliminates Right of Same-Sex Couples to Marry -- State of California (Initiative Constitutional Amendment)
YES, though I might consider switching.

Why?  Care to elaborate?
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platypeanArchcow
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« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2008, 03:26:24 PM »

Marriage is an institution based on practical, not ideological concerns.  Your view of it as bigoted treats homosexuals as a group rather than as individuals.  I have the same concerns about this as about affirmative action.  Contrast those to laws that prohibit discrimination against an individual.

Hm.  I see where you're coming from, sort of.  You're saying that I'm not being discriminated against because I can still marry a woman, just like all other males.  But really, marriage is the right of two people to get married to each other -- and limiting it to heterosexual couples is gender discrimination against the pair.  So the map People --> PossibleMarriages is permutation-invariant, but the map People x People --> PossibleMarriages is not.

I should talk about politics in terms of category theory more often.
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platypeanArchcow
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« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2008, 09:11:19 PM »


Sums up my feelings on almost all of these. But the Founding Fathers of California decided on a crappy half-Switzerland, for reasons I cannot percieve.

And the idea of Prop 11 isn't bad, but the way it's done is hideous. Plus, I like having legislators who represent my political beliefs, even if it requires gerrymandering.

The map for prop 11 results defies any sort of rhyme or reason:
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/politics/cal/la-2008election-california-results,0,1293859.htmlstory?view=11&tab=0&fnum=0

Seriously, can anyone explain this?  It looks like the very liberal (SF, Humboldt, Santa Cruz) were more likely to vote against it, and the partisan republicans (OC and thereabouts) for, but beyond that, what the hell is going on in this map?
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