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« on: July 30, 2012, 02:04:24 PM »

Considering Walesa's background, him endorsing Mitten's so enthusiastically is quite a surprise. I guess foreign policy trumps all in some cases.
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« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2012, 02:23:53 PM »

England turned out bad because of a rabid and liberal British press.

Hahah what? If anything, the conservative papers were even more critical of him than the left-wing ones!

There's barely such a thing as small-c conservatives in Britain.

Britain is one of the most small-c countries in the world. Tongue

It's why we still have things like the House of Lords, Monarchy and a FPTP electoral system.

Can any of those first two say no to the House of Commons on a major issue? Does anything restrict the ability of the Commons to do something other then precedent and tradition, which are things that can be overturned with a vote of the said body?
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« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2012, 02:41:26 PM »

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Inertia and traditional conservatism in the UK can arguably be seen as one and the same. For better or worse.

England turned out bad because of a rabid and liberal British press.

Hahah what? If anything, the conservative papers were even more critical of him than the left-wing ones!

There's barely such a thing as small-c conservatives in Britain.

Britain is one of the most small-c countries in the world. Tongue

It's why we still have things like the House of Lords, Monarchy and a FPTP electoral system.

Can any of those first two say no to the House of Commons on a major issue? Does anything restrict the ability of the Commons to do something other then precedent and tradition, which are things that can be overturned with a vote of the said body?

The House of Lords, as of now, can vote down Commons passed bills, but this only sends it back to the original chamber to 'rethink'. Usually the government tries, and usually succeeds, in overturning votes by the House of Lords. One example of the Lords causing a government 'rethink' was in 2008 when Gordon Brown had to back down over the 72 (?) day detention without trial bill, it was reduced to 24 days I believe.

The Monarchy technically can veto any bill, but hasn't done since the 1710's or so. So it's a non-factor. Although the Monarch is informed of all major government decisions. If a government goes all Nazi-crazy though, then I presume the Queen would exercise her reserve powers.

To the second question, since Parliament is sovereign, anything can be passed by the Commons, heck even the Scottish Parliament could be legally abolished by the House. While this won't happen, technically, no, nothing restricts the power of the Commons. (A case can be made for EU-made laws overriding UK law, but that's another debate).

In Britain, criticisms of Constitution being unwritten come primarily from the left, correct?
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« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2012, 02:59:54 PM »

Tories are more conservative than Republicans; unlike Republicans, they actually cut spending.

American politics has become defined by cultural and social issues, even when Economics dominate the issues. Hence why Mittens is leading in West Virginia, despite being a horrible candidate for it and Connecticut is going to vote for Obama. On that consideration, his point stands unquestionably, does it not?
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« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2012, 03:06:55 PM »

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Inertia and traditional conservatism in the UK can arguably be seen as one and the same. For better or worse.

England turned out bad because of a rabid and liberal British press.

Hahah what? If anything, the conservative papers were even more critical of him than the left-wing ones!

There's barely such a thing as small-c conservatives in Britain.

Britain is one of the most small-c countries in the world. Tongue

It's why we still have things like the House of Lords, Monarchy and a FPTP electoral system.

Can any of those first two say no to the House of Commons on a major issue? Does anything restrict the ability of the Commons to do something other then precedent and tradition, which are things that can be overturned with a vote of the said body?

The House of Lords, as of now, can vote down Commons passed bills, but this only sends it back to the original chamber to 'rethink'. Usually the government tries, and usually succeeds, in overturning votes by the House of Lords. One example of the Lords causing a government 'rethink' was in 2008 when Gordon Brown had to back down over the 72 (?) day detention without trial bill, it was reduced to 24 days I believe.

The Monarchy technically can veto any bill, but hasn't done since the 1710's or so. So it's a non-factor. Although the Monarch is informed of all major government decisions. If a government goes all Nazi-crazy though, then I presume the Queen would exercise her reserve powers.

To the second question, since Parliament is sovereign, anything can be passed by the Commons, heck even the Scottish Parliament could be legally abolished by the House. While this won't happen, technically, no, nothing restricts the power of the Commons. (A case can be made for EU-made laws overriding UK law, but that's another debate).

In Britain, criticisms of Constitution being unwritten come primarily from the left, correct?

Hmm, a small minority of left wing, and by that I mean, the Labour Party, criticises the constitutional settlement. Most Liberals (UK centrists, although some may call them faux-Tories post 2010), favour a big re-hash of the constitution. I'm talking, fully written, US style with a bill of rights. Elected Lords with extended powers etc, etc.

To American conservatism a written constitution, containing a strong balance of powers and a bill of rights, interpretted as written (strict construction) and difficult to amend is the last word in good government structure.
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« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2012, 03:11:20 PM »

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Inertia and traditional conservatism in the UK can arguably be seen as one and the same.
Traditional conservatism is all about inertia (/cautiousness in reform). Especially as it benefits the ptb, of course, but sometimes even where that doesn't apply. That's its defining characteristic.

and?
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