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Chancellor Tanterterg
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« on: May 02, 2015, 10:51:41 AM »

Depends when it happens, if it happened in a month or two it'd be great since stronger Democrats would likely hop in and have time to assemble a national campaign apparatus, so it'd improve the party's chances if it happens early enough.
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« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2015, 10:26:01 AM »

Which is why no outrage or level of corruption will dissuade them from supporting her. They may be able to drag her over the finish line in Nov 2016, but the result for the Dem party will be oblivion. By 2020, the Dem party will be so deep in the hole as to be almost nonexistent at the state and local level.

Fact is the Dems never recovered from the 1994 debacle that Hillary was partially responsible for. From 1994-2016, the Dems have controlled the House 4/22 years. Libs will scream "GERRYMANDERING" but you cant gerrymander if you dont control the Govs mansion and state legislatures, which is another gift to the GOP from 1994.

Which election do you think is worse for the Dems 1980 or 1994, I think 1980

The depth of 1994 was worse. 1980 the Dems held the House and didnt do that poorly at the state level. In 1980 there were lots of ticket splitting Dems. 1994 was broad and deep. After 1982 and 1986, the Dems were in strong shape.

1994 made Clinton more Conservative then Reagan so you can say that 1994 was worse for liberals

It's a bit unfair to blame Hillary for 1994.  The 1994 Democratic meltdown occurred for several reasons that were predictable.  

In the 1996 ALMANAC OF AMERICAN POLITICS, Michael Barone stated what should have been obvious; that for decades, the vast majority of Americans had casting their Congressional votes for either Republicans or for Democrats who claimed to be moderates or conservatives, yet in every Congress, liberal legislation would prevail by narrow margins.  This could be obscured somewhat by the presence of Republicans as President, but the Clinton Administration brought this out into the open.  It finally dawned on people that their moderate or conservative Democratic Representative or Senator would be casting key liberal votes to get a tough bill through.  Mike Huckabee wasn't entirely wrong when he said of the 1992 Dale Bumpers:  "He talks cornbread and catfish back in Arkansas, but he votes Kennedy and Cranston up in Washington!".  That realization, coupled with redistricting in the South to ensure that there were a maximum number of 65% black Congressional Districts left many white Democrats in positions too vulnerable to maintain.

I do agree there were many factors, but Hillary trying to ram Hillarycare down the people's throats

There are many, many legitimate criticisms one can make of Hillary and even more reasons she's not that strong a candidate.  "Hillarycare" is not one of them.  The idea that the 90s healthcare bill failed because of Hillary is absurd. 

The Clinton administration's healthcare proposal was a political disaster because they got outmaneuvered at every turn by the Republicans, they failed to get their own party to unite around a single vision for healthcare reform (Paul Wellstone, Jim Cooper, and every Democrat in between on the ideological spectrum had their own version of the bill), lost the messaging battle (especially after the Harry & Louise ad), and because the failure played into some of the negative narratives about Bill Clinton and his party since he took office.  Hillary was an awful choice to lead the push, but having someone else do it would just be rearranging chairs on the Titanic.
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