Hitler was a socialist!

[ChrisJG777]

Yes, he was a socialist. A national one.

You're an idiot.

Am I? Clue me this one then, cretin, what was Hitler's party called?

Aha. I win.

No, you lose.  The "National Socialist German Workers Party" was no more socialist than North Korea is a democracy.  The name means nothing.  It's like the Jamaican Labour Party actually being a conservative party than a social democratic one.

[ChrisJG777]

Yes, he was a socialist. A national one.

You're an idiot.

Am I? Clue me this one then, cretin, what was Hitler's party called?

Aha. I win.

No, you lose.  The "National Socialist German Workers Party" was no more socialist than North Korea is a democracy.  The name means nothing.  It's like the Jamaican Labour Party actually being a conservative party than a social democratic one.

read the above post.

I did and you still lose.  To think that Hitler was a socialist is an indicator of such sheer idiocy that it'd make Sarah Palin look like a member of Mensa.

[ChrisJG777]

Yes, he was a socialist. A national one.

You're an idiot.

Am I? Clue me this one then, cretin, what was Hitler's party called?

Aha. I win.

No, you lose.  The "National Socialist German Workers Party" was no more socialist than North Korea is a democracy.  The name means nothing.  It's like the Jamaican Labour Party actually being a conservative party than a social democratic one.

read the above post.

I did and you still lose.  To think that Hitler was a socialist is an indicator of such sheer idiocy that it'd make Sarah Palin look like a member of Mensa.

*sigh*

Hitler nationalised transportation, supported autarky and had all small businesses merged into large conglomerates under government supervision. These all sound like relatively left wing economic views to me.

From the Nazi Policy Manifesto:


13. We demand the nationalization of businesses which have been organized into cartels.

14. We demand that all the profits from wholesale trade shall be shared out.

*Facepalm*

Hitler was a politician, the party's manifesto was designed to pull voters in, which in the case of those two examples the intended target was the working class.  Once in power though, he never acted on those particular promises.  Under the Nazis, trade unions were outlawed and factory owners were empowered over their employees even more.  And where is your evidence that small businesses where merged?  I studied history, especially that time period, and nowhere did I read anything about small businesses merging.  Besides, don't delude yourself, any chance of the Nazis becoming even remotely socialist died along with Röhm and his followers.  Also, the fact that actual socialists were persecuted and imprisoned pretty much says enough.

Of course though, you can continue to delude yourself as you undoubtedly will.

[ChrisJG777]

It can't just have been to attract voters, if they actually carried it out, which they did. Your reply is weak at best.

Whereas you replies have been weak no matter what.  It was solely to attract voters.  I know for one those two items you listed were never carried out.  You'll find that most (and certainly enough to count) businesses and factories remained under private ownership both before and during the war.  Hitler was not a socialist, get that into your head and stop acting like you've just been on the receiving end of a botched lobotomy.

[ChrisJG777]

It can't just have been to attract voters, if they actually carried it out, which they did. Your reply is weak at best.

Whereas you replies have been weak no matter what.  It was solely to attract voters.  I know for one those two items you listed were never carried out.  You'll find that most (and certainly enough to count) businesses and factories remained under private ownership both before and during the war.  Hitler was not a socialist, get that into your head and stop acting like you've just been on the receiving end of a botched lobotomy.

Hitler was socialist ECONOMICALLY. They may have remained under private ownership, but Hitler came them in line and the slightest dissent would have led to nationalisation. They were bullied and cajoled into doing as he said.

Also, many industries were nationalised, including the railways.

*Head-desk*

There is absolutely no doubt that Hitler was an absolute control freak, but his actions did not make him a socialist, just an ultra-authoritarian.  The act of simply nationalising businesses does not necessarily make one a socialist, it just means that you've nationalised a lot of businesses.  There's more to socialism than simply having the state run a lot of businesses you'll find, much more.

[ChrisJG777]

It can't just have been to attract voters, if they actually carried it out, which they did. Your reply is weak at best.

Whereas you replies have been weak no matter what.  It was solely to attract voters.  I know for one those two items you listed were never carried out.  You'll find that most (and certainly enough to count) businesses and factories remained under private ownership both before and during the war.  Hitler was not a socialist, get that into your head and stop acting like you've just been on the receiving end of a botched lobotomy.

Hitler was socialist ECONOMICALLY. They may have remained under private ownership, but Hitler came them in line and the slightest dissent would have led to nationalisation. They were bullied and cajoled into doing as he said.

Also, many industries were nationalised, including the railways.

*Head-desk*

There is absolutely no doubt that Hitler was an absolute control freak, but his actions did not make him a socialist, just an ultra-authoritarian.  The act of simply nationalising businesses does not necessarily make one a socialist, it just means that you've nationalised a lot of businesses.  There's more to socialism than simply having the state run a lot of businesses you'll find, much more.

I was just trying to point out some similarities. I think politicaladdict is a nutcase personally, and his Nazi obsession is annoying (I went through that phase when I was 11). Ultimately, it's all down to the definition of 'socialism'.

Indeed, state control of businesses is a feature of socialism, but it's not the sole component.  With socialism there's also more a focus on workers' rights and some hints of egalitarianism (it may vary); these features never came about in Nazi Germany as Hitler ordered the dissolution of all trade unions and over saw the erosion of the rights of industrial workers, which of course is very un-socialist.  Also, with certain variants of socialism there's an element of wealth redistribution (methods may vary), and none of that happened under Hitler either.  So, whilst he may have done some things that are synonymous with socialism, in the end he wasn't truly a socialist, just an epic control freak and hyper authoritarian, anti-Semite militarist.