NYC restaurants threatenen to sue for indoor dining,hrs later Cuomo suggests to ban outdoor dining

[dead0man]

link-biased towards restaurants

Hours after New York City restaurants threatened legal action if government officials keep dining rooms closed, New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo revealed he’s considering a shutdown of outdoor seating as well.

The move would plunge restaurants in one of the industry’s most vibrant markets back to where they were in March, when all service was limited to takeout and delivery to slow the spread of COVID-19.  Groups such as the New York City Hospitality Alliance (NYCHA) say the local industry has been decimated by the loss of dine-in service, and that outdoor dining has been what enabled many surviving places to stay afloat. They warn that thousands more of the city’s restaurants will be forced to shut permanently if their capacities are not increased.  They note that restaurants in every other region of the state have been allowed to resume using up to 50% of their indoor seating capacities, and that operators in the city have been just as diligent as their peers elsewhere in enforcing state-mandated safety measures.

During a press briefing, Cuomo repeated his frequent assertion that New York City poses a unique risk during the pandemic because of its population density. He also contended that restaurants and bars there have not been as zealous as operators in neighboring areas about enforcing mask requirements, discouraging the gathering of crowds and maintaining social distancing among their patrons. He has repeatedly railed against establishments in the city for allowing customers to congregate in large numbers outdoors as they socialize, linger over drinks and violate alcohol service rules. 

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

Sue for equal treatment. If that fails, get the best security you can and open. This is no longer about Covid.

[KaiserDave]

I really don't like him.

[It’s so Joever]

At this point, New York should reopen indoor dining.
They have such a low positivity rate and case rate. I get that they are traumatized from Spring, but with the current trends, they have no reason to keep it closed.
Closing outdoor seating is ridiculous and definitely a horrible move.

[KaiserDave]

At this point, New York should reopen indoor dining.
They have such a low positivity rate and case rate. I get that they are traumatized from Spring, but with the current trends, they have no reason to keep it closed.
Closing outdoor seating is ridiculous and definitely a horrible move.

If you're willing to say this then it should be painfully obvious what Cuomo should do.

[dead0man]

Andrew Cuomo Says 4,000-Person NYPD Social-Distancing Taskforce Needed Before He'll Allow Indoor Dining in NYC

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D) said on a press call today that he would not allow indoor dining to return in New York City unless local politicians devoted significant police resources to enforcing social distancing and other reopening conditions.

"Our rules and guidance on reopening is only as good as the compliance and the enforcement," Cuomo said, adding that state resources have already been stretched thin attempting to enforce limits on the serving of alcohol by outdoor restaurants in the city. "If we open restaurants that's going to complicate by the hundreds if not thousands the number of establishments that have to be monitored."

Restaurants are allowed to open for outdoor dining in New York City, but can only serve alcohol to seated patrons who've also ordered a meal, per a July executive order from Cuomo.

The governor's latest comments come a day after New York City Council Speaker Corey Johnson issued a statement endorsing the reopening of indoor dining areas.

"It's time to allow indoor dining in New York City with reduced capacity and clear guidance to ensure social distancing and safety," Johnson said yesterday. "Summer is winding down, and they need to begin planning for the colder months."

[Sirius_]

What would they have sued on?

[Sir Mohamed]

I'm not sure outdoor operations should be closed as well. If so, it should only be done by scientific evidence. In this case, there needs to be a special aid package for the restaurant industry. The pandemic has been really bad for them.

[GeneralMacArthur]

NYC has seen NO spike in cases.  They've continued a steady downward trend.  At one point they were getting 5,000 cases a day.  Now they are down under 200.

Trust in Cuomo.  Trust the process.

[Sprouts Farmers Market ✘]

NYC has seen NO spike in cases.  They've continued a steady downward trend.  At one point they were getting 5,000 cases a day.  Now they are down under 200.

Trust in Cuomo.  Trust the process.

Love Cuomo, but you're forgetting one key thing: second highest unemployment rate in the country, and it's not particularly close.

[KaiserDave]

NYC has seen NO spike in cases.  They've continued a steady downward trend.  At one point they were getting 5,000 cases a day.  Now they are down under 200.

Trust in Cuomo.  Trust the process.

Uhhhhh
No

[dead0man]

NYC has seen NO spike in cases.  They've continued a steady downward trend.  At one point they were getting 5,000 cases a day.  Now they are down under 200.

Trust in Cuomo.  Trust the process.

what, like when he required nursing homes to take in Covid patients?  It only lead to 6500 deaths (more than any other state's total by the way).

[Roll Roons]

New York is a great city and everything, but the city's politics and government are just all-around terrible. Between the idiocy of Cuomo and De Blasio, the socialist lunatics who are taking over the city and the worst-run elections in the country, just ugh.

No matter how much I hate Trump and Trumpism, I think Republicans are better at actually governing, and that's why I've stayed one. The single best pandemic response in the country came from a certain Republican governor that KaiserDave and I happen to be big fans of. People love to s**t on Florida, but the state's per capita death rate still remains far below that of New York. AND THEY WERE ABLE TO REPORT ALL PRIMARY RESULTS ON ELECTION NIGHT!!!

[lfromnj]

New York is a great city and everything, but the city's politics and government are just all-around terrible. Between the idiocy of Cuomo and De Blasio, the socialist lunatics who are taking over the city and the worst-run elections in the country, just ugh.

No matter how much I hate Trump and Trumpism, I think Republicans are better at actually governing, and that's why I've stayed one. The single best pandemic response in the country came from a certain Republican governor that KaiserDave and I happen to be big fans of. People love to s**t on Florida, but the state's per capita death rate still remains far below that of New York. AND THEY WERE ABLE TO REPORT ALL PRIMARY RESULTS ON ELECTION NIGHT!!!

Democrats are much better at governing with the media game, look at Desantis's vs Cuomo's approval.

[KaiserDave]

New York is a great city and everything, but the city's politics and government are just all-around terrible. Between the idiocy of Cuomo and De Blasio, the socialist lunatics who are taking over the city and the worst-run elections in the country, just ugh.

No matter how much I hate Trump and Trumpism, I think Republicans are better at actually governing, and that's why I've stayed one. The single best pandemic response in the country came from a certain Republican governor that KaiserDave and I happen to be big fans of. People love to s**t on Florida, but the state's per capita death rate still remains far below that of New York. AND THEY WERE ABLE TO REPORT ALL PRIMARY RESULTS ON ELECTION NIGHT!!!

I disagree with some of this, super agree with others. I love New York, but it’s badly run yes (the election showed this). However I don’t think it’s necessarily an issue of the far left, there are some ideas on the left I believe that are worth considering (particularly on schools, and the SHSAT). There are some out there yes, but I think the bigger issue is an overall failure of leadership from so many in government, and there is always the ever present corruption of city politics.

Unfortunately I have seen no Republican who I believe is moderate or competent enough, and the Republicans I do like today are almost always from New England and not the city and even they are few and far between.

[GeneralMacArthur]

When you let a single party have complete control for too long, they start to veer into intra-party conflicts and races to the extremes.  With no opposition party to keep them in check, the wing becomes the opposition.  That's why single-party rule is bad.

Nowhere is this more evident than Seattle, where the "Democratic Party" is almost unrecognizable.  AOC would be right-wing here.

What's needed is a responsible, mature, sane Republican Party to act as a respectable opposition party to the Democrats.  Unfortunately, that party doesn't exist.  Instead we have the Republican Party of Trump and, before him, Rush Limbaugh and right-wing talk radio, and Jerry Falwell and the religious right, who dominated the party during the Clinton and W years.

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

NJ opened indoor dining today and it seems to be going smoothly. Supermarket dining areas were spaced out properly, bigger restaurants are opening quickly with well-spaced out tables while smaller restaurants are still figuring it out and may wait out 50% capacity. We'll see what the numbers say in a few weeks.

[It’s so Joever]

NJ opened indoor dining today and it seems to be going smoothly. Supermarket dining areas were spaced out properly, bigger restaurants are opening quickly with well-spaced out tables while smaller restaurants are still figuring it out and may wait out 50% capacity. We'll see what the numbers say in a few weeks.

That’s the way to do it.
As long as the numbers are low, states should slowly reopen, but not be afraid to pull back if s**t hits the fan. Colorado did that to an extent and we are doing fine. I was skeptical at first but I will admit I was wrong and that Polis was smart in his reopening.
 (although we won’t be doing well soon because of schools but that’s a whole different story)

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

NJ opened indoor dining today and it seems to be going smoothly. Supermarket dining areas were spaced out properly, bigger restaurants are opening quickly with well-spaced out tables while smaller restaurants are still figuring it out and may wait out 50% capacity. We'll see what the numbers say in a few weeks.

That’s the way to do it.
As long as the numbers are low, states should slowly reopen, but not be afraid to pull back if s**t hits the fan. Colorado did that to an extent and we are doing fine. I was skeptical at first but I will admit I was wrong and that Polis was smart in his reopening.
 (although we won’t be doing well soon because of schools but that’s a whole different story)

My current opinion on schools is that middle and high schools (along with colleges) should continue to be remote, while some of their buildings should be temporarily converted to house smaller elementary classes. We can't continue to pretend remote education is in any way suitable for little kids who can't lose a critical year of development, while older kids can continue to learn and do classwork from their computer.

[SWE]

What Cuomo has done to the restaurant industry in New York State is ridiculous. Vermont adopted strict protocols for dining as well, but they've done this while communicating with restaurants and remaining transparent about expectations. Across the border I keep hearing from people about how confusing the rules are, how often they change, and how fearful they are of facing severe and arbitrary punishment for failing to comply.

That's the thing, Cuomo's regulations aren't actually about keeping people safe or preventing the spread of the virus, it's just arbitrary red tape so he can give press conferences about all he's done without actually doing anything. For instance, banning bars from serving people unless they also buy food? There's literally no logic behind that, I'm not less likely to catch COVID if I also eat a bag of peanuts with my beer. You may as well say indoor dining is allowed, but only if you wear a red shirt.

[Statilius the Epicurean]

We've had indoor (socially distanced) dining in London and the rest of the UK for months without a serious spike in cases.

Banning outdoor drinking and dining in any way is just f---ing insane considering the minuscule transmission rate outdoors.

[It’s so Joever]

NJ opened indoor dining today and it seems to be going smoothly. Supermarket dining areas were spaced out properly, bigger restaurants are opening quickly with well-spaced out tables while smaller restaurants are still figuring it out and may wait out 50% capacity. We'll see what the numbers say in a few weeks.

That’s the way to do it.
As long as the numbers are low, states should slowly reopen, but not be afraid to pull back if s**t hits the fan. Colorado did that to an extent and we are doing fine. I was skeptical at first but I will admit I was wrong and that Polis was smart in his reopening.
 (although we won’t be doing well soon because of schools but that’s a whole different story)

My current opinion on schools is that middle and high schools (along with colleges) should continue to be remote, while some of their buildings should be temporarily converted to house smaller elementary classes. We can't continue to pretend remote education is in any way suitable for little kids who can't lose a critical year of development, while older kids can continue to learn and do classwork from their computer.

That’s my stance as well.
Not primarily because of the education issues, but because younger kids don’t spread it as well whereas older kids spread it at the same level as adults.

[Roll Roons]

NJ opened indoor dining today and it seems to be going smoothly. Supermarket dining areas were spaced out properly, bigger restaurants are opening quickly with well-spaced out tables while smaller restaurants are still figuring it out and may wait out 50% capacity. We'll see what the numbers say in a few weeks.

That’s the way to do it.
As long as the numbers are low, states should slowly reopen, but not be afraid to pull back if s**t hits the fan. Colorado did that to an extent and we are doing fine. I was skeptical at first but I will admit I was wrong and that Polis was smart in his reopening.
 (although we won’t be doing well soon because of schools but that’s a whole different story)

I live in DC, and indoor dining has been open since June 22. Guess what? No spike in cases! Most people here are responsible and mask-wearing is widespread, but it can be done.