Vatican City 2013 papal election (user search)
       |           

Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
May 18, 2024, 07:48:28 AM
News: Election Simulator 2.0 Released. Senate/Gubernatorial maps, proportional electoral votes, and more - Read more

  Talk Elections
  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion
  International Elections (Moderators: afleitch, Hash)
  Vatican City 2013 papal election (search mode)
Pages: [1] 2
Author Topic: Vatican City 2013 papal election  (Read 54305 times)
Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 58,269
United States


Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« on: February 11, 2013, 10:08:56 PM »
Yeah, watched an Italian news broadcast (from a left-wing network, even!) and they were blatantly rooting for Scola.
Logged
Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 58,269
United States


Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2013, 04:43:49 PM »
Quote from: Keystone Phil on February 13, 2013, 04:00:39 PM
Quote from: Esecutore di Mida on February 13, 2013, 02:52:11 PM
Quote from: Keystone Phil on February 13, 2013, 09:40:59 AM
Any idea if Super Delegate Benedict will be issuing an endorsement before the Conclave?
I doubt it. He's on experimental ground as is, any kind of politicking for a successor or, well, talking about his successor's policies he would probably consider as endangering the unity of the Church and damaging the Papacy.

...I wasn't serious. I just wanted to refer to him as a Super Delegate.

You can call him Grand Elector while you're at it. Wink
Logged
Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 58,269
United States


Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2013, 03:01:27 PM »
Ouellet looks like a reactionary asshole, even by Catholic Church standards.

The ideal would be a non-European reformist, but I'm not sure there is any one among the serious candidates.
Logged
Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 58,269
United States


Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2013, 01:54:28 PM »
Quote from: Paleobrazilian on March 11, 2013, 09:35:41 AM
1 day before the conclave, rumours say the campaign of Ravasi has faded, due to his lack of pastoral experience. According to the same rumours, the names of Dolan, Tagle and Erdo have failed to gain traction, and probably won't be considered early on the conclave. Thus, the 3 names now expected to come up strong on the first ballot, tomorrow afternoon, are Scola, Ouellet and Scherer.

Meh, that's pretty disappointing... Sad

I guess I'll be rooting for Scherer by default, because Ouellet is a nutcase and I don't want another Italian Pope.
Logged
Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 58,269
United States


Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2013, 07:05:37 PM »
« Edited: March 11, 2013, 07:13:06 PM by Californian Tony »

Can't believe I agree with JCL on something. Tongue Bertone always struck me as a sleazebag.
Logged
Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 58,269
United States


Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2013, 07:12:53 PM »

Endorsed! He'd be a great comic relief.
Logged
Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 58,269
United States


Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2013, 01:55:31 PM »
Quote from: WillipsBrighton on March 12, 2013, 08:21:58 AM
What terrorists is the Church accused of funding? The mafia I could totally believe but terrorists sounds like stupid conspiracy theory crap that can be totally discounted.

Wouldn't it be hilarious if it turned out to be Al Quaeda or some other Islamic stuff? Grin

More seriously, I wouldn't be too surprised if they had some links with the Strategia della tensione terrorism in 1960s Italy.
Logged
Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 58,269
United States


Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2013, 04:58:32 PM »
Quote from: Roma Caput Mundi on March 12, 2013, 04:56:09 PM
A friend of mine who has very good connections with the Vatican told me to bet strongly on Scola.

I hope he's wrong.
Scola is close to PdL,and even went as far as saying that Renato Farina (PdL senator,who was suspended as a journalist after working for the Italian Secret Service as a spy) is "an absolutely great journalist".

Oh dear...

Now the choice is obvious: Scherer all the way. Ideally I think I would support Shönborn, but he seems to have no chance.
Logged
Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 58,269
United States


Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2013, 01:39:01 PM »
I really wasn't expecting that...

Please tell me it's not Scola or Ouellet!!!
Logged
Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 58,269
United States


Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2013, 01:53:36 PM »
Quote from: Tender Branson on March 13, 2013, 01:51:25 PM
And she said that her son is way too good a person considering all the intrigues in the Vatican ...

This is most certainly true.
Logged
Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 58,269
United States


Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2013, 02:12:39 PM »
Here it is.
Logged
Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 58,269
United States


Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2013, 02:13:20 PM »
Who?
Logged
Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 58,269
United States


Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #12 on: March 13, 2013, 02:15:26 PM »
So where does he stand?
Logged
Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 58,269
United States


Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #13 on: March 13, 2013, 02:19:32 PM »
Anyone knows his positions on theological and reform issues, and whether or not he's tied to the Vatican mafia?
Logged
Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 58,269
United States


Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #14 on: March 13, 2013, 02:24:26 PM »
Quote from: Nathan on March 13, 2013, 02:20:36 PM

More or less run-of-the-mill, although his heart doesn't seem to be in the socially conservative stuff (or politics of The World in general) as much as some of the others. He is concerned about economic justice, though.

He did, however, say some fairly awful stuff when his country legalized gay marriage.

I don't believe he's considered a Vatican insider.

Not too bad a choice, then. And the name he chose seems encouraging about his intentions.
Logged
Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 58,269
United States


Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #15 on: March 13, 2013, 02:42:36 PM »
Quote from: Nathan on March 13, 2013, 02:41:23 PM
Quote from: Senator Franzl on March 13, 2013, 02:40:07 PM
I like this pick. Of course he's a social conservative, but his other features are very encouraging.

This is about how I'm feeling too.

Same for me.
Logged
Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 58,269
United States


Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #16 on: March 13, 2013, 03:12:57 PM »
Quote from: Sibboleth on March 13, 2013, 02:59:21 PM
And much like being socially conservative is part of the job description, so also is being less than entirely keen on free market capitalism. You're really just looking to see how far it's taken.

Indeed. From what I've heard so far, it seems that he uses to put emphasis on the latter. So I can't complain.
Logged
Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 58,269
United States


Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #17 on: March 13, 2013, 03:42:51 PM »
Quote from: ilikeverin on March 13, 2013, 03:27:33 PM
Aww, he has a sweet little smile.  He satisfies the "I want to hug him" criterion.

Indeed!
Logged
Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 58,269
United States


Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #18 on: March 13, 2013, 04:13:02 PM »
Quote from: Wyodon on March 13, 2013, 04:08:19 PM
Quote from: ilikeverin on March 13, 2013, 03:58:03 PM
Quote from: Restricted
You must be logged in to read this quote.

Okay, that I like. Precisely what the Catholic Church needs now is someone to speak against hypocrites. Here's hoping he just keeps it up.

Yeah, I've heard about this. This is very important indeed.
Logged
Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 58,269
United States


Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #19 on: March 13, 2013, 06:22:39 PM »
Quote from: Paleobrazilian on March 13, 2013, 05:57:56 PM
6- His Pontificate will probably not be that long, and he definitely knows that. He seems to be extremely humble, to a point that may bother some Cardinals and curialists. But he does seem to be the kind of Pope that could start big changes, like John XXIII. The fact that he prayed Lord's Prayer and Ave Maria with the pilgrims in Italian before praying Urbi et Orbi tells a lot. The fact that he stood in silence to let the Catholics pray for him was very telling as well.

7- I'm predicting a John XXIII-styled papacy. Quite short (it'd be a blessing if he goes strong beyond 10 years), but bringing lots of change. Maybe going totally bold and calling Council Vatican III, maybe doing what should have done long ago, implementing collegiality as recomended by Council Vatican II - empowering the College of Cardinals and the Curia to decide some matters that today are left exclusively to the Pope; giving Bishops and Archbishops more power in their territorry. He could also diminish the Curia.

9- It'll be important to see how many curialists will be brought back to their old jobs by Pope Francis - many changes would signal the need for a big cleanup. Also important will be his first Cardinal-creating consistory, which will be very telling. He'll probably create some 15 new Cardinals around early-mid 2014, and I expect him to create many Cardinals from the Third World, reducing the weight of the European and specially of the Italian delegation. I also feel less second-tier curialists will become Cardinals (something Benedict XVI used to do).

I'm really hoping you are right.
Logged
Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 58,269
United States


Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #20 on: March 13, 2013, 08:51:10 PM »
Quote from: RodPresident on March 13, 2013, 08:50:15 PM
Pope Francis had Cardinal Hummes and Cardinal Sandri at his side. A message?

Where do those two stand?
Logged
Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 58,269
United States


Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #21 on: March 14, 2013, 01:39:07 PM »
I indeed think that we need to see if Bertone stays in place or not. This will be the key sign. I don't want to get my hopes too high, but maybe...

I'm also really curious to learn the details about the balloting. Depending on how Bergoglio's "winning coalition" was formed, this could give us good indications of his inclinations.
Logged
Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 58,269
United States


Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #22 on: March 14, 2013, 03:24:43 PM »
Quote from: Franknburger on March 14, 2013, 03:11:06 PM
Unfortunately, we won't be able this time to produce a voting map Cool

Well, we could if we knew how each Cardinal voted...
Logged
Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 58,269
United States


Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #23 on: March 15, 2013, 01:39:23 PM »
Quote from: Paleobrazilian on March 15, 2013, 09:00:38 AM
Üner-conservative groups like the Society of St. Pius X are already going nut with Francis.

Cheesy
Logged
Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 58,269
United States


Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #24 on: March 15, 2013, 01:42:37 PM »

LOL! Grin Grin Grin

I already know what name he would have chosen: Innocent XIV. Tongue
Logged
Pages: [1] 2  
Jump to:  


Login with username, password and session length

Terms of Service - DMCA Agent and Policy - Privacy Policy and Cookies

Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2015, Simple Machines

Page created in 0.054 seconds with 10 queries.