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« on: April 02, 2013, 10:00:39 AM »

https://www.facebook.com/tomcarper?ref=ts&fref=ts

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« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2013, 10:49:23 AM »

Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

I have such a fondness for both of Delaware's Senators
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« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2013, 10:53:46 AM »

At last.
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« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2013, 11:54:09 AM »

There was literally no political reason for a Democratic Senator from Delaware to oppose it.
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« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2013, 12:08:57 PM »

Cool beans. I think Nelson is the lowest hanging fruit out of the Democratic holdouts. Landrieu will have to put on quite the balancing act on the issue during the campaign if she is to come out in support of it after re-election.
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« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2013, 12:30:58 PM »

Nelson and Johnson need to support it. Nelson just got re-elected, and he's from Florida. Tim Johnson is retiring and won't run again.

I can see why the other 5 would wait (and there's always the chance that they do honestly and personally support traditional marriage too).
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« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2013, 12:45:07 PM »

Even by the extremely cynical standards of the US Senate that was such an incredibly phony, insincere statement. While I applaud his flipflop, I can smell the stench of his bullsh!t all the way from Tennessee.
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« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2013, 12:53:31 PM »

Even by the extremely cynical standards of the US Senate that was such an incredibly phony, insincere statement. While I applaud his flipflop, I can smell the stench of his bullsh!t all the way from Tennessee.

Have you read Casey's?
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« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2013, 12:59:47 PM »

Nelson and Johnson need to support it. Nelson just got re-elected, and he's from Florida. Tim Johnson is retiring and won't run again.

I can see why the other 5 would wait (and there's always the chance that they do honestly and personally support traditional marriage too).

My only guess is that Johnson is afraid his son (who may run for his seat) might be hurt by him coming out for gay marriage.
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« Reply #9 on: April 02, 2013, 01:58:24 PM »

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« Reply #10 on: April 02, 2013, 02:05:25 PM »

That's pretty pathetic that it took him that long.
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« Reply #11 on: April 02, 2013, 09:43:13 PM »

Even by the extremely cynical standards of the US Senate that was such an incredibly phony, insincere statement. While I applaud his flipflop, I can smell the stench of his bullsh!t all the way from Tennessee.

why?  because it mentioned God?   
Carper's statement is pretty close to some I've seen on this board from a few posters.

Joe Biden and Rob Portman were sincere in their statements, I don't know about anyone else.  These moderate Senate Democrats at this point are feeling the pressure to come out with a strong position on something that they probably don't focus on all that much, so it's unreasonable to expect something more than this.
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« Reply #12 on: April 02, 2013, 09:47:28 PM »

He used the E-word: evolution. Good.

This statement shows how subjective morality (at least as traditionally defined) is, how it changes, and why it's one of the worst bases for law that there could ever be.
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« Reply #13 on: April 02, 2013, 11:48:51 PM »

Here are the remaining Democratic Senators who don't support

Heidtikamp, Donnelly, and Manchin strike me as pretty right wing.
Pryor and Landrieu are also pretty conservative and not from friendly states.
Johnson is retiring so might come out for it.
Bill Nelson tomorrow?
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« Reply #14 on: April 03, 2013, 12:00:33 AM »



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Remind me again....where within the golden rule does it condone homosexuality?  God sure is granting "wisdom" to a whole bunch of pols over the last two weeks!
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« Reply #15 on: April 03, 2013, 12:23:44 AM »

Here are the remaining Democratic Senators who don't support

Heidtikamp, Donnelly, and Manchin strike me as pretty right wing.
Pryor and Landrieu are also pretty conservative and not from friendly states.
Johnson is retiring so might come out for it.
Bill Nelson tomorrow?

Pryor and Manchin seem to legitimately against SSM.
Johnson might announce support, but doesn't seem particularly supportive in the first place, nor does he want to hurt his son's chances if he runs.
Heitkamp has remained rather mum over the issue. Others have noted that she would support it if she wasn't North Dakota's senator. I agree.
Donnelly has always been fairly centrist, though I could see him supporting before the others, as Indiana is less socially conservative than the above states.

Landrieu won't support it yet, if she wants to win re-election. I think most democratics are okay with that. Her statements sound like she very much personally supports SSM, though. On a side note, I'm really beginning to appreciate Landrieu.

I think of all the D senators left, Nelson seems to be the only one who could conceivably support SSM without major negative ramifications. It would not be a complete surprise if either one of these three (in addition to Nelson) decide to announce their support: Heitkamp, Donnelly, or Johnson (and that's simply because he's retiring).
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« Reply #16 on: April 03, 2013, 12:49:56 AM »

OT: That is one classy Penn & Teller sig.
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« Reply #17 on: April 03, 2013, 04:02:41 AM »


Remind me again....where within the golden rule does it condone homosexuality?  God sure is granting "wisdom" to a whole bunch of pols over the last two weeks!
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Well, would you like it if your marriage had to be subjected to a ballot referendum or a vote in congress in order to be considered valid? Probably not, right? So, treat others the way you would like to be treated.
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