NY-09, Special Election Thread

[Smash255]

considering the fact that the demographic I'm speaking about is one of the most hated groups if not the most hated group in the world I think you might be the bigot.

PS. even if were all bigots it still doesn't change the fact that if a demographic that is quite large in the district changes from 90% support to anywhere from 60-90+% the other way that will effect this race.

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If you agree to stay out of NY then I'll agree to stay out of Greece.

Cut the PC stuff with me kid. I'm not an AMPAS member. If you want to be a homophobe own it and stop hiding behind your religion.

I'm not a homophobe for 2 reasons
1. I'm not afraid of homosexuals
2. I don't like them for rational reasons (which happen to be 100% based on religion)

I'm also not hiding behind my religion, my religion is everything to me and frankly most Orthodox Jews.

and if you want to be an anti semite own up to it and stop hiding behind your liberalism.

please tell me what I should do with this statement in Jewish tradition if I wasn't in your words a homophobe (keep in mind we do not change the text to suit what ever the in thing is of the times)
(this is a translation of course)
god did not decree the flood until men started writing marriage documents for other men


leaving aside the reasons behind it over 40 Rabbis including some of the biggest rabbis in America came out against Weprin for the reason I said electorally speaking that means something whether or not that homophobic or not (and if you say they are your giving more credence to the fact that your the true bigot).  When it comes to financing Jewish organization Weprin is equal to none and if it wasn't for the tremendous elephant (or donkey of a man) in the room he would be getting plenty of support that is now going out to vote against him.

The orthodox voted heavily against Obama and he still won the district, despite losing the Brooklyn portion by a bit.  Its going to come down the margins in the Queens portion of the district.

[Smash255]

but if it wasn't for that marriage vote the orthodox Jewish vote would have voted for Weprin at over a 90% rate

Based off what exactly??  Gay marriage vote or not, Turner was likely to get the Orthodox vote and win the Brooklyn portion of the district

Btw, the district has more than just Orthodox Jews, Werpin leads among Jewish voters.

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if you think that you don't know the first thing about the Orthodox Jewish vote

Weprin funded more Othodox Jewish organizations then any other politician on any level of government.

There are a few reasons why Orthodox jews have been voting for the Republicans and if you take away those issues they would lean slightly left on most of the issues and with Weprin's funding record he would have won big (but we are not willing to sell our principles for money) (and the only major area where Weprin failed was on Social issues with marriage being the biggest)

substitute Weprin for Dear or Hikind (Hikind's race last year was just to send him a message if it would have been a real race he would have won in much bigger) on the democratic line and Turner looses the orthodox vote in the high 90%

PS
how many orthodox jews have you spoken to about this election? I'm curious was it even one?


why else do you think over 40 rabbis said you can't vote for David Weprin even though he funded more Orthodox Jewish organizations then any other politician on any level of goverment.

Why else are many other Rabbis (who are not from the 40) that have previously been close to Weprin avoiding him like the plague.
thebrooklynpolitics.com/post/9038350644/the-rabbis-are-avoiding-being-photographed-with-weprin

Why else does almost every single Orthodox jew who supports Turner for a variety of other  reasons almost always add say some variation of how can any orthodox jew vote for someone who said it's alright for a orthodox jew to vote for gay marriage/or vote for gay marriage/or march in the parades ext.

There is much more to the Jewish voters in the district than the Orthodox.   Werpin for example is going to win big in areas like Forest Hills/  70% of the district is in Queens, and just like Obama/McCain, dominance with the Orthodox doesn't mean you will win the district. 

[Smash255]

This "Dov Hikind" person seems like a real piece of work.

I think he is a survivor of the concentration camps in Germany.  Maybe I have that mixed up, but he is really hard wired.

He was born in 1950, so that seems... unlikely. 

Well back to the drawing board then. I should look up his bio. Isn't he a Dem assemblyman who votes often with the GOP?

Yes, he has endorsed Republicans in the past including Pataki and W.  He is very socially conservative, perhaps even to the right of Diaz regarding gays.  His parents were Holocaust survivors IIRC, so that might be what you were thinking of.

[Smash255]

My lord Weprin is getting creamed. This is more embarrassing than Republicans losing NY-26.

Still too early.  The Queens #'s certainly look bad, but it really depends on whats in.  The Queens portion leans Dem no question, but you have liberal Forest Hills and very conservative and racist Howard Beach both in the district.