Trump: There is no global flag. There is no global citizenship.

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Nationalists are the elite's useful idiots.

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Nationalists are the elite's useful idiots.

You got that wrong. Globalists are the elite's useful idiots. How else could they undermine national labor and environmental laws by opening up free trade with nations that fall far below our standards, without the help of the useful globalist cheerleader idiots here at home?

Don't make me laugh. Why are labour and environmental standards being loosened and tax laws loosened? To "maintain international competitiveness". Of course if people jsinply united and pushed for proper global unity so that everybody in earth could enjoy the same standards with nowhere for megacorps to run. But no, that would make the flagmasturbaters weally sad so nationalists endorse the creation of a corporatist state with no standards at all. BUT MEH FLAG MEH COUNTRY MEH BORDERS

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We live on the same planet. Our challenges go beyond our arbitrary borders. We are STRONGER TOGETHER wor king together for the peace and prosperity of humanity.

Hi! I'm an Islamic fundamentalist. I believe that what's best for the world is killing off the infidels!

Hi! I'm a communist. I believe that what's best for the world is redistributing other country's wealth to poorer countries!

Hi! I'm a capitalist. I believe that what's best for the world is less government inclusion!

Hi! I'm a socialist. I believe that what's best for the world is more government inclusion!

You see, the problem with that notion is that everyone has their own beliefs and opinions about the world and how it should function. You want peace? Stop trying to tell other peoples how to live their lives.

Fences make for good neighbors.

Makes sense! After all, all people living in the same nation state agree politically, far more than they would with their neighbouring country state. Obviously a low income janitor who lives in america has far more in common with the CEO of Exxon than a janitor in France or China or Pakistan.

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This. If Trump is serious about what he's saying, he should work to split the union into many parts, because nothing unites all these people other than ideals. Globalism is the future.

Sure, as long as you can tell us what this unifying global ideology is?

The idealogy of not wanting to be blown up, have their children educated and retire is a pretty unifying theme tbh

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This. If Trump is serious about what he's saying, he should work to split the union into many parts, because nothing unites all these people other than ideals. Globalism is the future.

Sure, as long as you can tell us what this unifying global ideology is?

The idealogy of not wanting to be blown up, have their children educated and retire is a pretty unifying theme tbh

Nice evasion.

Now answer me this:

Are you willing to share a global supreme court with people whose values are irreconcilable with your own.

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Lol the only person defecting is yourself, hon. It's a universal value to not want to starve. I mean I would never want a centalised global state for the reasons you say, but that can easily be an argument against nation-states in the same place. Plenty of people in my country with values irreconcilable to my own, but I have to suck it up.

Nationalists are the elite's useful idiots.

You got that wrong. Globalists are the elite's useful idiots. How else could they undermine national labor and environmental laws by opening up free trade with nations that fall far below our standards, without the help of the useful globalist cheerleader idiots here at home?

Don't make me laugh. Why are labour and environmental standards being loosened and tax laws loosened? To "maintain international competitiveness". Of course if people jsinply united and pushed for proper global unity so that everybody in earth could enjoy the same standards with nowhere for megacorps to run. But no, that would make the flagmasturbaters weally sad so nationalists endorse the creation of a corporatist state with no standards at all. BUT MEH FLAG MEH COUNTRY MEH BORDERS

You live in a fantasy world if you think everyone would come together and set up universal labor and environmental standards acceptable to first world nations. It would be just as it is now, a race to the bottom. Nations that have low standards and authoritarian governments able to control their citizens will be the desired location of capitalists looking to exploit other people for larger profits. The only measures the rest of us have to fight against that is tariffs and subsidies, but the useful idiot globalists want to prevent us from using those measures.

What is needed is a new global trade bloc, with nations that meet minimum standards on human rights, workers rights, and environmental regulations that can enjoy free trade among themselves. Then slap tariffs on goods coming in from nations that don't meet those standards, with the severity of the tariffs proportional to the number of standards they fail to meet.

Eventually, way down the road when every nation has raised themselves to meet the standards necessary to join the free trade bloc, we can talk about your globalist utopia. Instead useful idiot globalists wanted to hurry up with their vision of some sort of Star Trek future utopia, without seeing that they were playing into the hands of capitalists looking for cheap labor and lax regulations to exploit. And you ended up hurting the working people in your own countries in the process.

see I largely agree with this, but the trouble is your tariff solution. Tariffs don't work as a permanent solution. They're just rubbish policy.

And of course, your ilk  demands the break-up of the EU into squabbling nation-states, so I feel you might be a bit disingenuous.