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« Reply #425 on: May 10, 2017, 08:43:31 AM »

Now he's got a job for Christie or Rudy?

I hope that whole things will backfire big league. It is obvious that the faker-in-chief has something to hide.
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« Reply #426 on: May 10, 2017, 08:45:36 AM »
« Edited: May 10, 2017, 08:49:33 AM by ApatheticAustrian »


@ChuckGrassley's message to those calling Comey's firing 'Nixonian': "Suck it up and move on"
https://twitter.com/foxandfriends/status/862279059404865537


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https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/862296990130032640
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« Reply #427 on: May 10, 2017, 08:52:02 AM »

Just a reminder of how man Dems felt about Comey, including the Wicked Witch of the West - Pelosi
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« Reply #428 on: May 10, 2017, 08:52:28 AM »

Whatever Trump's dubious reasons and timing for this, Comey certainly deserved the can. To sum:

(1) Comey's first mistake was taking an absurdly long time to finish the Clinton e-mail investigation. As Comey himself said, it was not a close call. He said he'd rather "do it well" than do it fast, but he brushed off the compelling public interest in voters knowing whether a candidate who is running for president is in fact in serious legal jeopardy or not. The fact that Clinton went through the whole primaries with a cloud over her head was a disservice to the voters, and to her. The FBI waited until after April to even contact the principals involved for interviews, when they were willing to cooperate the whole time. The investigation should have been completed more quickly. As later proven, the extra time they took didn't prevent them from "re-opening" the investigation later.

(2) Holding a public press conference to give his personal opinion on Clinton's behavior and characterization of the case, when that is not the FBI's job. The Federal Bureau of Investigation is there to investigate, not cast judgement, especially not on those it has decided not to file charges against. Comey's words were later used in ads against Clinton, so he was literally making ads for the GOP. This was an egregious violation of the Hatch Act. I live in DC and while most of us (contrary to myth) have no political power, I do know plenty of people who work for the government in some low-level capacity, and most of them won't even come to a phone bank for fear of the Hatch Act. As the 25-year veteran who retired as head of the NY branch of the FBI recently said, Comey's "press conference" should have been two sentences: We have completed the investigation. We have forwarded our charging recommendation on to Justice. The end.

(3) The Comey Letter. Comey's first excuse is that he had to send the letter because he's previously told Congress that he'd notify them if anything came up. He should never have made this promise in the first place, since as he knows, the FBI does not comment on ongoing investigations. There is good reason for this, as investigation does not equal guilt. His second excuse is that he wanted to avoid 'concealment.' But his reason for not making public the Russia investigation was that the FBI does not comment when investigations are newly opened. So why does it comment when an investigation is reopened? It should not have. If he wanted to maintain the principle of non-concealment, he should have revealed both investigations, and then kept the public up with daily updates as to their details. To only reveal one and not the other is yet another violation of the Hatch Act. Comey did a good job getting his associates to defend himself in the press as a bumbling idiot, but the fact that he donated to both McCain and Romney, and his long-standing feud with the Clintons, speaks otherwise.
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« Reply #429 on: May 10, 2017, 08:54:22 AM »

I applaud your consistency, Beet.  I really mean that.
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« Reply #430 on: May 10, 2017, 08:56:20 AM »

You can simultaneously think that Comey was a bad FBI director and needed to be fired and think that both the manner of his dismissal, the timing, and the fact that open investigations into Trump/Russia would preclude him being fired without:

-A clear replacement nominee
-A longer,more detailed, and more cogent rationale
-Keeping Sessions 100% out of the loop.

I mean, like nearly everything Trump, he's taking a small problem and making it a giant catastrophe.
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« Reply #431 on: May 10, 2017, 08:57:25 AM »

You can simultaneously think that Comey was a bad FBI director and needed to be fired and think that both the manner of his dismissal, the timing, and the fact that open investigations into Trump/Russia would preclude him being fired without:

-A clear replacement nominee
-A longer,more detailed, and more cogent rationale
-Keeping Sessions 100% out of the loop.

I mean, like nearly everything Trump, he's taking a small problem and making it a giant catastrophe.
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« Reply #432 on: May 10, 2017, 08:59:02 AM »




Hypocrisy and fake outrage? Dems had been calling for months for the firing of Comey!
https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/862289377405394944


Rand, Marco and Ted really are a triumvirate of hackery and spine-less-ness.

Ron Paul was better than his son.

My God.
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« Reply #433 on: May 10, 2017, 09:03:14 AM »

From another thread.

There are two points here:
1) I don't know anyone, right-wing or left-wing, who has a favorable view of Comey. Lately it has been the Democrats screaming about how terrible he was. Perhaps that's a lesson in being careful what you wish for, but its simply hypocritical for them to suddenly rush to his defense (as it is for them to call for a special prosecutor on Russia). You can't have law enforcement authorities who are trusted by nobody. The FBI under Comey simply became too intensely political (not entirely, but in many ways, his fault).

2) This Russia story has now dragged on for months. Months since the election and, as Comey revealed to us, months before that. What have they uncovered so far? Zip...unless you count the bureaucratic anomoly that is Flynn briefing the government on his plans to go to Russia, and what he did in Russia, but not actually receiving clearance to be paid for doing what he did in Russia. We have no evidence of conspiracy, no evidence of collusion...really no evidence of anything at all. Comey said so, Barbara Boxer said so, even inteligence officials from the Obama administration said so. Exactly how long is America supposed to twiddle its thumbs while this circus continues in the intelligence committee, before we say "nope, there's no there there"?
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My take; The Trump administration wanted to can Comey from day one, but held off because of the ongoing Russian-hysteria circus. They probably didn't like the optics of firing Comey amidst the early days of this witchhunt. But now?

We've wasted countless resources 'investigating' this democratic concocted witch-hunt for 6 months. We've had countless democratic media machines print 'Muh Russians' on page one, with tiny 'no evidence to confirm' post scripts at the end of each article. And as of just 2 days ago, Comey and Clapper have both - before congress - testified that NO EVIDENCE of collusion of any kind took place.

There's no 'there' there. It's a democratic created narrative to fool the low info voter.

Of course, the dems will still go ape-sh*t, and break their ankles twisting so hard from 'fire comey' to 'trump's a dictator'. But now they'll do so after months of investigations with no evidence to even justify continuing to investigate.

Case and point; Colbert on his show announced that Comey got canned... and his crowd cheered. But he was quick to point out that their proper reaction should be OUTRAGE!, so the crowd started to boo. 😂😂

This kind of nonsense happens when politics becomes your religion. Got to be told by the preachers what to think.
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« Reply #434 on: May 10, 2017, 09:09:14 AM »


charming but not really the matter on hand. ^^

after all, no one questions that trump is theoretically allowed to do that....AFTER the investigation has finished or directly after being elected.

timing and explanation are the dealbreakers which make this thing nixonian.
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« Reply #435 on: May 10, 2017, 09:15:21 AM »

Dude, he got fired out of the blue months after Trump took office, officially over an investigation Trump praised him for.

Come on man.
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« Reply #436 on: May 10, 2017, 09:50:05 AM »

charming but not really the matter on hand. ^^

after all, no one questions that trump is theoretically allowed to do that....AFTER the investigation has finished or directly after being elected.

timing and explanation are the dealbreakers which make this thing nixonian.

At least we're starting to get some evidence about the collaboration...

Timing and explanation!
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« Reply #437 on: May 10, 2017, 10:00:51 AM »



I asked VP Pence his reaction to Comey: "right decision, right time"
https://twitter.com/LACaldwellDC/status/862318807909629953
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« Reply #438 on: May 10, 2017, 10:03:43 AM »

The Democrats wanted to fire Comey because they claimed he lost Clinton the election. Trump has fired Comey. Democrats are unhappy and talk about Nixon. Yes, the timing was unfortunate, but the day before Clapper denied any links between Trump and Russia have being found yet. If Trump had fired Comey on the first day, as some suggest,  it still would have Russia implications, possibly more.
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« Reply #439 on: May 10, 2017, 10:10:28 AM »

If Trump had fired Comey on the first day, as some suggest,  it still would have Russia implications, possibly more.

timing AND explanation.

why was is soooo necessary to fire comey RIGHT NOW even before the administration even has had time to create a believable narrative?

you could ofc say, the president can do whatever he wants, whenever he wants and PERIOD but the clinton-handling-thing is obscure and an obvious lie.


best case scenario: trump sacked comey out of a tantrum, trying to get back to a sceptical employee.

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« Reply #440 on: May 10, 2017, 10:11:29 AM »

From another thread.

There are two points here:
1) I don't know anyone, right-wing or left-wing, who has a favorable view of Comey. Lately it has been the Democrats screaming about how terrible he was. Perhaps that's a lesson in being careful what you wish for, but its simply hypocritical for them to suddenly rush to his defense (as it is for them to call for a special prosecutor on Russia). You can't have law enforcement authorities who are trusted by nobody. The FBI under Comey simply became too intensely political (not entirely, but in many ways, his fault).

2) This Russia story has now dragged on for months. Months since the election and, as Comey revealed to us, months before that. What have they uncovered so far? Zip...unless you count the bureaucratic anomoly that is Flynn briefing the government on his plans to go to Russia, and what he did in Russia, but not actually receiving clearance to be paid for doing what he did in Russia. We have no evidence of conspiracy, no evidence of collusion...really no evidence of anything at all. Comey said so, Barbara Boxer said so, even inteligence officials from the Obama administration said so. Exactly how long is America supposed to twiddle its thumbs while this circus continues in the intelligence committee, before we say "nope, there's no there there"?
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My take; The Trump administration wanted to can Comey from day one, but held off because of the ongoing Russian-hysteria circus. They probably didn't like the optics of firing Comey amidst the early days of this witchhunt. But now?

We've wasted countless resources 'investigating' this democratic concocted witch-hunt for 6 months. We've had countless democratic media machines print 'Muh Russians' on page one, with tiny 'no evidence to confirm' post scripts at the end of each article. And as of just 2 days ago, Comey and Clapper have both - before congress - testified that NO EVIDENCE of collusion of any kind took place.

There's no 'there' there. It's a democratic created narrative to fool the low info voter.

Of course, the dems will still go ape-sh*t, and break their ankles twisting so hard from 'fire comey' to 'trump's a dictator'. But now they'll do so after months of investigations with no evidence to even justify continuing to investigate.

Case and point; Colbert on his show announced that Comey got canned... and his crowd cheered. But he was quick to point out that their proper reaction should be OUTRAGE!, so the crowd started to boo. 😂😂

This kind of nonsense happens when politics becomes your religion. Got to be told by the preachers what to think.

have you seen this clip from Colbert last night

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCVBEE1SfXI

Colbert: Breaking news President Trump just fired James Comey

Audience : Yeaaaaaaaaaaaah! Wohoooooooooooo!

Colbert : hey lots of Trump fans in the audience toght [Translation: Listen up people, the narrative now is that firing Comey is bad]

Literally 1 minute later

Colbert : Comey was fired on the advice of AG Jeff Sessions

Audience : Booooooooooooo!
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« Reply #441 on: May 10, 2017, 10:16:42 AM »

the people booed sessions, obviously.

otherwise, it's fine - as democratic activists - to cheer comey's demise.

if you want a liberal democracy, it's raising a lot of flags and setting a shady standard for future presidents.
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« Reply #442 on: May 10, 2017, 10:20:24 AM »

When all is said and done, I have a feeling that this administration is going to be compared with that of Harding's.

Yes, that is absolutely the best comparison, down to the womanizing.

I like the idea of Trump aiming for Andrew Jackson and landing at Andrew Johnson, but he doesn't fit that specific profile of failure.
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« Reply #443 on: May 10, 2017, 10:23:02 AM »

If Trump had fired Comey on the first day, as some suggest,  it still would have Russia implications, possibly more.

timing AND explanation.

why was is soooo necessary to fire comey RIGHT NOW even before the administration even has had time to create a believable narrative?
If they waited until yesterday because it was only on Monday that we has Clapper's testimony under oath that there was no evidence against Trump then why would they wait a day longer? If he's the wrong man for the job then why fire him any later than necessary?
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« Reply #444 on: May 10, 2017, 10:31:39 AM »
« Edited: May 10, 2017, 10:33:33 AM by ApatheticAustrian »

If he's the wrong man for the job then why fire him any later than necessary?

this is quite a stretch.

you get no net-plus at all doing it that way.

if there is no fire: investigation would have concluded peacefully without any damage at all.

if there is fire: why creating such a stupid narrative "comey was mean to hillary", which no one is going to swallow anyway?


either you believe the prez can do whatever he want....they the hearing you value so much is pointless anway.

or you believe, the prez must handle this matter with the utmost delicacy....then he bungled this whole thing in the worst possible way.

the problem with the trump presidency -as usual - is to figure out, which strange actions are dictated by ulterior motives or just be sheer inexperience.
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« Reply #445 on: May 10, 2017, 10:43:46 AM »

The Russia investigation won't end any time soon. We may have doubts and have our own opinions of course, but the media coverage is terrible. CNN has become unwatchable, today I saw Watergate and Nixon and that's the only narrative they present. Talk about presenting facts from both sides.
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« Reply #446 on: May 10, 2017, 10:46:22 AM »

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« Reply #447 on: May 10, 2017, 10:48:49 AM »

comey wanted to INCREASE the russia investigation a few days ago.



https://twitter.com/davidjoachim/status/862331936819302400
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« Reply #448 on: May 10, 2017, 10:50:57 AM »

The people that brought us Pizzagate thinks Trump firing Comey in the middle of his team being investigated is not suspicious at all
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« Reply #449 on: May 10, 2017, 10:52:35 AM »

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