Iran tests new precision-guided ballistic missile

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Obama probably got hard when he read this. He'll be happy to do absolutely nothing if Iran attacks Israel while he's still president.

I doubt it'll get to that point. Israel is going to attack first to stop them, and then we'll find out if Obama did in fact promise Iran military support to defend its nuclear program.

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Obama probably got hard when he read this. He'll be happy to do absolutely nothing if Iran attacks Israel while he's still president.

Oh, brother.  An unprovoked missile attack on Israel would benefit Israel infinitely.

Anyway last time I checked Israel doesn't pay any US taxes.  It's time for them to clean up their own messes... on their own dime.  And Europe is closer geographically to Israel than the US.  And there are more European Jews in Israel than American Jews.  Why do you bring up Obama's name?  Why don't you bring up Mark Rutte's name?  Quit bringing up Obama's name in your mess.

Obama has done everything he can to prevent Israel from attacking Iran and is the architect of the deal that makes this kind of thing possible. He's absolutely in on this.

As for your earlier point about "Taxes", I suppose Israel's role as the R&D man for the US military and the exclusive deals for new technology they provide the US with mean nothing.

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Oh, brother.  An unprovoked missile attack on Israel would benefit Israel infinitely.

Anyway last time I checked Israel doesn't pay any US taxes.  It's time for them to clean up their own messes... on their own dime.  And Europe is closer geographically to Israel than the US.  And there are more European Jews in Israel than American Jews.  Why do you bring up Obama's name?  Why don't you bring up Mark Rutte's name?  Quit bringing up Obama's name in your mess.

Do you think Mark Rutte's opinion of Iran becoming a nuclear state matters as much as Obama's opinion?

To me?  No.  I don't pay taxes in the Netherlands.  To you?  Yes, judging by your avatar.  I don't drag Rutte's name into every discussion when discussing where my ancestors may have come from.

Israel is a mess because of the actions of Europe in the past.  Quit trying to sneak that debacle onto our books.  You live and pay taxes in Europe.  Talk to your leaders there.  We owe you nothing.  Israel owes us everything.

The US turned its back on the Jews and literally sent them back to die in the ovens because FDR thought it would be bad PR to let them in.

To say the ledger is balanced now would be generous.

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If Israel is supposedly under so much threat then there should be European troops defending them, with European tax dollars going to fund Israel's military.  I'm tired of Europeans complaining that the US is not doing enough.  Why don't you talk to your own governments?

We know, very clearly, which side Europe at large is on.

The US has always been the counterbalance. Until this administration.

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The US turned its back on the Jews and literally sent them back to die in the ovens because FDR thought it would be bad PR to let them in.

To say the ledger is balanced now would be generous.

Then move to Isreal and open your veins and water their arid soil with your blood.  Why involve the rest of us?  Do you want me to give you a catalog of the people who died in the 20th century that the US didn't send their sons to liberate?

You go by the name "Rubio Republican".  Why don't you tell us about all the oppresed black and mixed race people in Cuba?  Why don't you tell us about all the slaves that were taken to Cuba.  Why don't you tell us why the vast majority of Cuban "refugees" are white middle or upper class people yet most of Cuba is black or mixed race?  How come you don't post about that BS?

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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/30/opinion/why-are-cubans-so-special.html?_r=0

Total BS.  So you not only ignore the injustices of the white upper class in Cuba you actually fight for their "rights."  And then you have the nerve to chastise people on the internet for not emptying their wallets for Israel half way around the world.  Talk about hypocrisy.

I'm not really sure what you expect the son of Cuban immigrants who had very little to do with the overall power structure of Cuba (they were rural landowners and economic migrants to the US) to do about the systemic problems in a country he wasn't born in.

And the fact that most of the Cuban refugees were white doesn't really seem to matter to me. If that's the case and Castro was targeting them, they had plenty of reason to flee.

Here's the thing - Israel isn't asking for money. Not as their primary need, anyway. They have a robust economy. They're not even asking for the US to defend them militarily. All they're doing is asking for the US to get out of the way and let them take care of their country.

The US, at least under this administration, has made clear the answer is "no".

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The US turned its back on the Jews and literally sent them back to die in the ovens because FDR thought it would be bad PR to let them in.

To say the ledger is balanced now would be generous.

Then move to Isreal and open your veins and water their arid soil with your blood.  Why involve the rest of us?  Do you want me to give you a catalog of the people who died in the 20th century that the US didn't send their sons to liberate?

You go by the name "Rubio Republican".  Why don't you tell us about all the oppresed black and mixed race people in Cuba?  Why don't you tell us about all the slaves that were taken to Cuba.  Why don't you tell us why the vast majority of Cuban "refugees" are white middle or upper class people yet most of Cuba is black or mixed race?  How come you don't post about that BS?

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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/30/opinion/why-are-cubans-so-special.html?_r=0

Total BS.  So you not only ignore the injustices of the white upper class in Cuba you actually fight for their "rights."  And then you have the nerve to chastise people on the internet for not emptying their wallets for Israel half way around the world.  Talk about hypocrisy.

I'm not really sure what you expect the son of Cuban immigrants who had very little to do with the overall power structure of Cuba (they were rural landowners and economic migrants to the US) to do about the systemic problems in a country he wasn't born in.

And the fact that most of the Cuban refugees were white doesn't really seem to matter to me. If that's the case and Castro was targeting them, they had plenty of reason to flee.

Here's the thing - Israel isn't asking for money. Not as their primary need, anyway. They have a robust economy. They're not even asking for the US to defend them militarily. All they're doing is asking for the US to get out of the way and let them take care of their country.

The US, at least under this administration, has made clear the answer is "no".

How has the US gotten in Israel's way.  Does the US not, as a sovereign nation, have the right to negotiate deals with other countries?  Especially ones that pose a strategic threat to us?  It seems to me that Israel is getting in our way actually, and derailing any hope of a peaceful and friendly Iran.

There have been many reports that the US told Israel it would shoot down the planes if Israel launched a military strike against Iran. That's why Netanyahu reportedly vetoed the military option not long ago.

That gives the impression that the US values its diplomacy with Iran - a nation that continues to fund terror against US interests and hold US citizens hostage - over the security of Israel.

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There have been many reports that the US told Israel it would shoot down the planes if Israel launched a military strike against Iran.

Post a link please.

They've denied it, but we do know that Netanyahu abruptly scrubbed a planned military operation at the last minute, so I find it believable.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/mar/1/report-obama-threatened-shoot-down-israeli-warplan/?page=all

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There have been many reports that the US told Israel it would shoot down the planes if Israel launched a military strike against Iran.

Post a link please.

They've denied it, but we do know that Netanyahu abruptly scrubbed a planned military operation at the last minute, so I find it believable.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/mar/1/report-obama-threatened-shoot-down-israeli-warplan/?page=all

If that was true why would Netanyahu or one of his allies not come out with it?  We already know he has no problem poking the administration and the Republicans would jump all over this if he did

He still has to deal with this administration for 16 more months, and there's a lot of bells that a pissed-off Obama could ring that can't be unrung.

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Not that I want to wade into this quagmire, but since Ray has been dropping his inane conspiracy theories again:
http://forward.com/opinion/321927/an-alternative-vision-of-israeli-security/?attribution=author-article-listing-3-img

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While it's possible this is true (it's from an editorial, although Barak's comments are out there if not 100% reliable) what are your thoughts on Article 10, Annex III, which commits the US to helping Iran fend off threats to its nuclear program?

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Also, the US did not "stop the holocaust". The Allies stopped the regime perpetrating it, thus ending it, for separate reasons. The claim of anything else is a lie.

And I am SO sick and tired of people who think bringing up other "obscure genocides" as a gotcha to Jews is some sort of legitimate point. Jews aren't the ones keeping the Congolese genocide from people's minds - it's the textbook companies making sure their books are palatable to a widely white audience. And none of that changes the fact that a full third of the world's Jews were wiped out in less than ten years. Get out of here with that Oppression Olympics BS.

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Obama probably got hard when he read this. He'll be happy to do absolutely nothing if Iran attacks Israel while he's still president.

I doubt it'll get to that point. Israel is going to attack first to stop them, and then we'll find out if Obama did in fact promise Iran military support to defend its nuclear program.

You've said this before and I think that's a conspiracy theory.  Even if Obama wanted to attack Israel, don't you think the massive public backlash would be enough to convince him not to?

I think you're right on that point, but Obama's probably been the President motivated the least by public approval that I can remember. In fact, the further he gets from having to worry about it, the more belligerent he gets.

I'm not guaranteeing anything will happen, nor do I think it's even a probability, but I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that Obama would do something that could escalate things severely between the two countries. These decisions are made on the spur of the moment, not after public debate. Where it goes from there would depend on whether cooler heads are able to rise to the top quickly in both countries.

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In my opinion, the world shouldn't owe Israel anything, and Israel shouldn't owe the world anything. It works out best for both sides that way.

Exactly. I'll go a step further by saying that the world should leave Israel the f**k alone and accept we're not a colony anymore. We'll deal with the mess. I'm entirely fine with not getting a single dime from abroad as long as the world doesn't screw us up by interventions, illegitimate UN resolutions (an organization that shouldn't exist anyway), boycotts, funding our enemies in order to destroy us (this also applies to the Netherlands, my own country, which is a total disgrace), and the like.

Agreed. I would be much, much more comfortable with US money to Israel being solely in the form of trade and technology sales, as opposed to "foreign aid". It's a cudgel that Israel-haters use to bludgeon us with, as if we owe our existence to them.